Panzergrenadier-Brigade z.b.V. 18 infos needed

[morgan]

Hello,

I'm looking for infos about Panzergrenadier-Brigade z.b.V. 18 a Heerestruppe unit from 1943 (assignments, units attached, fights ...).

I have this by Lexikon der Wehrmacht : http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... /PGB18.htm

Any info is welcome

Morgan

[morgan]

anyone ??

[Lorenz]

You have been grievously mislead by Lexikon der Wehrmacht. Here is what Tessin has:

Panzer-Brigade 18 (Stab) * 15.5.1942 aus dem Stab Pz.Rgt. 18; 4.1.1943 aufgelöst.
U: Heerestruppe (bei 18. Pz.Div.)

That's all he provides. Why? Because it was NOT a unit but rather a a HQ and staff consisting of just a few officers and men. It served as a brigade HQ and staff within and under 18. Pz.Div. Therefore, you should seek out a published history of the 18. Pz.Div. for further information.

L.

[Alanmccoubrey]

Lorenz, Tessin is talking of a Panzer-Brigade not a Panzergrenadier-Brigade, there is quite a difference after all.

[Lorenz]

Lorenz, Tessin is talking of a Panzer-Brigade not a Panzergrenadier-Brigade, there is quite a difference after all.

Whoops! And right you are, Sir Alan! The old eyes were so intent on seeking out the words "Panzer" and "Brigade" that when they saw them at the bottom of p.94 in Tessin Band IV (Vierter Band) they went no further. They should have landed at the bottom pf p.95 where the following appears:

18. Panzergrenadier-Brigade seit 5.7.1942, 1944 aufgelöst, wird Radf.Jäger-Brigade 10.
U: 18. Panzer-Div., 1943 Heerestruppe
E: 101 Leisnig, WK IV

But not a great deal has changed, I think. This is still essentially a Stab that exercised command and control over the division's two Panzergrenadier-Regimenter numbered 52 and 101 until 29.9.1943. After that, it became Heerestruppe. So the two divisional histories for 18. Pz.Div. are still probably the best place to look for details on its activities. That is unless you would like to provide the inquirer with those details, Alan?

L.

[hero.]

Hello !

It is hard to find infos on this unit. This is what I found in addition to the data presented by Lorenz :

According to Veit Scherzer, Dt. Truppen im 2. WK, the Stab Pz.Gren.Brig. 18
became independent as Heerestruppe already on Nov. 8th, 1942.

At that time, and at least from 1.1.1943 onward, it should have been subordinated to 2. Pz.Armee,
and there specifically to Korück 532, with the exception from 13.5.-6.6.43 where it was
attached to XXXXVII. Pz.Korps (see scan, NARA T313 R153 F7406827).

Perhaps, during "Zitadelle", it also had another subordination to XXIII. AK., as stated by Leo Niehorster :
viewtopic.php?p=109472#p109472

This Stab might also be found under the alternate designations :
Brigadestab z.b.V. 18, Gruppe Jolasse (redesignated Gruppe Wagner since 9.3.1943).
The KTB Pz.AOK 2 has a very detailed listing of subordinated units, which can be browsed online here :
http://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/threa ... post274862

When you make a search for the units subordinated to this HQ, you find mainly Sicherungs-Btle.
and foreign units, like different Ost-Bataillone and Reiterverband Trubtschewsk. Therefore,
I would assume, that the Stab was mainly involved in anti-partisan warfare during that timeframe.

When 2. Pz.Armee was transferred to the Southeast, Korück 532 remained in place and
its subordination changed to 9. Armee. Maybe the Stab Pz.Gren.Brig. 18 remained under that command ?!

It could help if, besides your general remarks, you specify what is your main point of interest in this Stab ?

Best regards,

hero.

[morgan]

Hello,

Thank you all for the infos

I want to know if this unit was located in the Heeresgruppe "Nord" in January-February 1944 and in summer 1944. Do you have any info about this period ?

Best
Morgan

[Alanmccoubrey]

Morgan, have you tried going through all the elements of HG Nord over on Lexikon der Wehrmacht where you found the Brigade ?

[Leo Niehorster]

The Stab, 18. Panzergrenadier-Brigade was subordinate to the XII. Armeekorps, 4. Armee, Heeresgruppe Mitte on 20 June 1944.

[morgan]

Hello,

Kriegsgliederung des Korück 532 on 01.03.1943

Source : on the picture

Best,
Morgan