In a set of BAMA records I just received for Div.Nr.180, I found a reference to a FP #30 161 E. I think this is an infantry unit given the information in the records, but it is not identified by a #, just a commanding officer. I looked through some entries on the Lexicon, but did not find a match. Is there a better way to do this reverse lookup ?
thanks,
Mad Dog
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Moderator: Tom Houlihan
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FpN 30161
(Mobilmachung-1.1.1940) 4. Fahrkolonne Infanterie-Divisions-Kolonne 195,
(28.4.1940-14.9.1940) 5. Fahrkolonne Infanterie-Divisions-Kolonne 36,
(25.9.1940-15.2.1941) 5. Fahrkolonne Infanterie-Divisions-Kolonne 112,
(24.8.1943-5.4.1944)12.11.1943 gestrichen.
The FpÜ shows the number dormant after 12.11.43. It may be that the number was entered incorrectly in the document you have or an attempt was made to reactivate the number at the very tail end of the war and it was never entered in the FpÜ by the Heeresfeldpostmeister. "E", of course, would generally be for a 4. Kompanie or a 4. Batterie or a 4. Fahrkolonne.
L.
(Mobilmachung-1.1.1940) 4. Fahrkolonne Infanterie-Divisions-Kolonne 195,
(28.4.1940-14.9.1940) 5. Fahrkolonne Infanterie-Divisions-Kolonne 36,
(25.9.1940-15.2.1941) 5. Fahrkolonne Infanterie-Divisions-Kolonne 112,
(24.8.1943-5.4.1944)12.11.1943 gestrichen.
The FpÜ shows the number dormant after 12.11.43. It may be that the number was entered incorrectly in the document you have or an attempt was made to reactivate the number at the very tail end of the war and it was never entered in the FpÜ by the Heeresfeldpostmeister. "E", of course, would generally be for a 4. Kompanie or a 4. Batterie or a 4. Fahrkolonne.
L.
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Where the document is situated in the series of pages would lead me to believe it is an infantry unit, although I cannot be remotely sure. I think the FP is related to 2.Kp./Btl.Fastenau, KG v.Borstel (Div.Nr.180, oct 1944):
thanks,
Mad Dog
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Mad Dog
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Hello Mad dog,
Altough Kannapin mentions this Nr as "erased- gestrichen" at the end of 1943,
the FPNr 30161 E was (again) used as of (+/-) 8.1944 for the I Btln (thus the 4th Coy) of the Gren Regt 1222.
Info comes from the "Einheitenrahmen" of the German Red Cross Vermisstenbildliste.
Peter
Just went through the "Tessin"; he dates the "creation" of the Gren Regt 1222 on 31.10.1944.
The Regt only had 2 Btln.
So the FPNr must have been re-used around this date.
Altough Kannapin mentions this Nr as "erased- gestrichen" at the end of 1943,
the FPNr 30161 E was (again) used as of (+/-) 8.1944 for the I Btln (thus the 4th Coy) of the Gren Regt 1222.
Info comes from the "Einheitenrahmen" of the German Red Cross Vermisstenbildliste.
Peter
Just went through the "Tessin"; he dates the "creation" of the Gren Regt 1222 on 31.10.1944.
The Regt only had 2 Btln.
So the FPNr must have been re-used around this date.
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Unusual (but not rare) for an inactive FpN to be reissued 6 months before the end of the war and not entered in the FpÜ, but here is a well-documented case of that happening.
L.
L.
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Yes, that would make sense. The EuA Rgts of Div.Nr.180 were converted to gren.rgts in Oct/Nov. I would guess then the unit in question was part of EuA Rgt.269., and furthermore EuA Btl. 489 or 16 (see T78 R424).
So many little mysteries.
Thanks very much everyone.
Mad Dog
So many little mysteries.
Thanks very much everyone.
Mad Dog
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it appears that not all sources agree. Oh well, whats new.
Lexicon says EuA.Btl.489 --> I/1223. T78 R424 says it became part of I/1222 and I/1221. EuA 4989 doesnt have a FP # on the Lexicon entry, but neither do EuA47 and 65.
Mad Dog
Lexicon says EuA.Btl.489 --> I/1223. T78 R424 says it became part of I/1222 and I/1221. EuA 4989 doesnt have a FP # on the Lexicon entry, but neither do EuA47 and 65.
Mad Dog
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Hello Mad Dog, Lorenz, Peter !
Thanks to Peter and Lorenz for providing that Feldpost data !
From the FPN, it should be the 4. Kp. / I. Btl./ Gren.Rgt 1222.
From the document Mad Dog provided, it seems clear, that the unit in question is a Kompanie.
(it says Kompaniestärke and the numbers itself).
a) I./GR 1222 (and II./GR 1222) should have been formed from I./Rgt. Brehmer and elements
of Gren. EuA. Btls. 16, 489 and ??? according to T78 R424 F63963822.
b) According to the Feldpost data, I./GR 1221 should have been formed by I./Rgt. Brehmer (=Btl. Paepenmoller)
c) Tessin has the sequence Gren. EuA Btl. 489 => I./1223 with a questionmark.
All this is a bit confusing, but I would trust the data from Org.Abt. (i.e. T78 R424) in first place.
- According to Btl. Fastenau and KG v.Borstel :
Tessin refers only to a KG Fastenau and a Btl. Wiencke which were attached to Div.Nr. 180.
Btl. Wiencke should have been a part of Rgt Brehmer (= II./Rgt. Brehmer).
The EuA Btl. located inside the ZOI normaly had no FPN, but were addressed by their regular address.
The FPN given in the Lexikon usually refer only to the Reserve units connected to that Ersatz-unit.
Those were located outside the ZOI and therefore received a FPN.
Best regards
,
hero.
Thanks to Peter and Lorenz for providing that Feldpost data !
From the FPN, it should be the 4. Kp. / I. Btl./ Gren.Rgt 1222.
From the document Mad Dog provided, it seems clear, that the unit in question is a Kompanie.
(it says Kompaniestärke and the numbers itself).
a) I./GR 1222 (and II./GR 1222) should have been formed from I./Rgt. Brehmer and elements
of Gren. EuA. Btls. 16, 489 and ??? according to T78 R424 F63963822.
b) According to the Feldpost data, I./GR 1221 should have been formed by I./Rgt. Brehmer (=Btl. Paepenmoller)
c) Tessin has the sequence Gren. EuA Btl. 489 => I./1223 with a questionmark.
All this is a bit confusing, but I would trust the data from Org.Abt. (i.e. T78 R424) in first place.
- According to Btl. Fastenau and KG v.Borstel :
Tessin refers only to a KG Fastenau and a Btl. Wiencke which were attached to Div.Nr. 180.
Btl. Wiencke should have been a part of Rgt Brehmer (= II./Rgt. Brehmer).
The EuA Btl. located inside the ZOI normaly had no FPN, but were addressed by their regular address.
The FPN given in the Lexikon usually refer only to the Reserve units connected to that Ersatz-unit.
Those were located outside the ZOI and therefore received a FPN.
Best regards
,hero.
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Excellent work, hero !
Mad Dog
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Re: Feldpost# request
Tom
Glad to hear that you have the Div Nr 180 files from BAMA
you are on the right track !
Several FP-numbers were issued to Div. Nr 180 which are not in the Kannapin FP-übersicht.
FP. 30161 was given to Gren A&E Btl 489 Commanded by Major Fritz Fastenau until 19.10.1944
The reorganisation of Div Nr.180 into 180 Infdiv. is quite complex due to lack of documentation but I think I have it.
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Greetz
Ruud
Glad to hear that you have the Div Nr 180 files from BAMA
you are on the right track !
Several FP-numbers were issued to Div. Nr 180 which are not in the Kannapin FP-übersicht.
FP. 30161 was given to Gren A&E Btl 489 Commanded by Major Fritz Fastenau until 19.10.1944
The reorganisation of Div Nr.180 into 180 Infdiv. is quite complex due to lack of documentation but I think I have it.
PM me
Greetz
Ruud