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What exactly were you looking for Paul? The division was essentially at full strength on 1 September, reporting a Fehl of just four officers. It was also pretty well up to strength in regards to equipment, although was well short it's planned number of StuG.Paul Timms wrote:I'm doing some research into Salerno. I've got pretty good info on the Allies but my sources are sketchy on the Germans.
Does anyone have info on the 16th Panzer or the 79th Panzer Grenadier Regiment (part of 16th) at Salerno or specifically the battles for the tobacco factory 11-14th September 1943.
Anything greatly appreciated or sources I could look into ?
Thanks, I was going blind trying to read my copy.Martin Block wrote:Hi Rich,
a few corrections if I may:
I agree it really was strange? I wonder if they were just too busy and never noticed?From the divisional history of the 16. Pz.Div. it appears that mainly the I./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 79 was engaged in the battle for the tabacco factory.
BTW it's a bit odd that the 'Zustandsberichte' continued to list 93 authorized Stu.Gesch. until 1.11.1943 since reduction to only 45 Stu.Gesch. had already been ordered on 13.5.1943 (actually delivered then were 42 StuG and 3 Bef.Pz. III).
Elements of Pz.A.A. 16 were all along the area, as would be expected. One ot the Pz.Sp.Wg. Zuge I know was observing the port of Salerno on the night of 9 September, but I've seen no mention of the infantry companies? It would certainly be possible. I know early on in the landing the Flammpanzers of Pz.Regt. 2 were heavily engaged and they are mentioned on and off in many US accounts. Somewhere I think I have the LXXVI Pz.K. document that gives the composition and strength of the various divisional KG around 12 September, I'll see what I can find.Martin Block wrote:Sorry, can't help you much further. The divisional history of the 16. Pz.Div. is not very detailed about the fighting around the tobacco factory. The I./79 did not have any APCs. The mechanized battalion of the 16. Pz.Div. was the II./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 64. Can't tell if perhaps elements from it or from the fully armored Pz.A.A. 16 may have been engaged there. The book also mentions the II./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 9 (26. Pz.Div.) supporting the I./79 on 13./14.9.1943 but that battalion didn't have APCs either. The Pz. IV probably belonged to II./Pz.Rgt. 2 (16. Pz.Div.).
Yes, The 7,5cm le.I.G. in the 4. and 8. Kp. were towed and the 15cm s.I.G. in the 10. Kp. were self-propelled 'Grille'.
Yes, they were Flammpanzer III. There were seven of them all committed early in the battle. Six were lost, probably all by 12 September since none were reported operational in the Panzerlage of that date?Paul Timms wrote:Thanks for all your help guys this is great info. Flammpanzers ? any idea of type I assume a MKIII variant. Info on the 26th in the counter attacks of the 13/14th would be great to.