TO&E of Panzer Aufklarungs units

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TO&E of Panzer Aufklarungs units

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Greetings. I am looking for unit structures of recon units, attached to panzer divisions specifically, but any pointers to Aufklarungs units with armored cars would be appreciated.
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What timescale within the 39-45 framework?
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Any time throughout the 39-45 period. I suppose 1943-1945 would be of most interest.
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Re: TO&E of Panzer Aufklarungs units

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You will have to dig a bit but this link should help with early war recon units.

http://www.orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/011 ... _index.htm


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Panzer Recon Units

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Look at Christopher's KStN site under Panzereinheiten and then look toward the bottom at the organization of the Panzerspah units(armored cars).

Typically, the Recon. Bn. had an armored car company, a motorcycle company, a motorized rifle company and a heavy company. As the war progressed, the motorized infantry was mounted in the small 250 series halftracks and both armored car units and infantry units had organic 75mm guns and 50mm & 37mm anti-tank guns, which eliminated the need for the heavy company. Sometimes an armored infantry company, mounted in the 251 series halftracks, was included as well. In some cases the motorcycle units were found to be unsuitable, as in N Africa, and were deleted.

As you can see, the recon units were intended not only to locate, but also to seize and hold vital objectives.
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archduke wrote:Look at Christopher's KStN site under Panzereinheiten and then look toward the bottom at the organization of the Panzerspah units(armored cars).

Typically, the Recon. Bn. had an armored car company, a motorcycle company, a motorized rifle company and a heavy company. As the war progressed, the motorized infantry was mounted in the small 250 series halftracks and both armored car units and infantry units had organic 75mm guns and 50mm & 37mm anti-tank guns, which eliminated the need for the heavy company. Sometimes an armored infantry company, mounted in the 251 series halftracks, was included as well. In some cases the motorcycle units were found to be unsuitable, as in N Africa, and were deleted.

As you can see, the recon units were intended not only to locate, but also to seize and hold vital objectives.
Thanks, guys. Where do I find the KStNs that have been referenced?
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Search for KStN and you'll find the site. It's the one with the long German name that isn't a radio or TV station.
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Any heavy machine guns present in the Aufklarungs Abteilung of 1941 & 1942?
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David, Yes there were, it would be a very odd "infantry" unit in the German Army in WW2 which didn't have some of them and the motorcycle companies of the recce battalions were basically infantry. As with most of the German questions the answer is on Christoph's site which J-H has already linked.
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Alan,

Sadly it would seem that according to the link provided by JH, that particular site has been disabled. :(
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David W wrote:Alan,

Sadly it would seem that according to the link provided by JH, that particular site has been disabled. :(
Try this link instead.

http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/


Also, this link might have what you want but you will have to do some digging.

http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/


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David W wrote:Alan,

Sadly it would seem that according to the link provided by JH, that particular site has been disabled. :(
David, I have to admit that I didn't try the link as I look of Christoph's site most days anyway but I know that I've sent you a working link to it in the past and was hoping that your troubles with it were over.
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Re: TO&E of Panzer Aufklarungs units

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Thanks to one & all, but I have to take a rain check until late Wednesday night, as we are going away for a few days.

Catch up with you then.

(perhaps the link & my page translator will be working by then!)
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The TO&E of Panzer Aufklärungs Abteilungen puzzled me for a long time. :?
Actually the apr 44 (gp) Freie Geliederung still does :!:
the following link helped me a lot :[]
http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/Rec ... 0units.htm

The corresponding KStN can be found at
http://www.sturmpanzer.com/Default.aspx ... em=3&sec=1
and
http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/

Except for the apr 44 versions :(

Greetz

Ruud
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