Hi, could anyone give me information about this unit
Flakschw. Abt. 470?
Where this unit was employed during the war? And what was the employment of a Flak unit?
Thanks very much Zezio!!!
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Flakschw. Abt. 470
Moderator: Tom Houlihan
Flakscheinwerfer-Abt. 470(o)
Formed August 1943 in the Luftgau VI area (Ruhr) by renaming III.(Scheinw.)/Flak-Rgt. 14 with an Abteilungstab and 1. – 2. Battr. The number of batteries fluctuated between 2 and 4 during its existence.
History:
Nov 43 – Dec 44: operational as Flakscheinwerfer Untergruppe Ammer/Starnberg. The Ammersee is a large lake located southwest of Munich and Starnberg is a town located 23 km SSW of Munich. The Abteilung was deployed around Starnberg and came under Flakscheinwerfergruppe München (Flakscheinw.Rgt. , which came under 4. Flak-Brigade until May 44, and then under 26. Flak-Div. from Jun 44 to Dec 44.
Jan – May 45: by Mar 45 it had been transferred from Starnberg to northern Italy, probably to beef up the Flak defenses along the approaches to the Brenner Pass.
FpNs: Stab (L 25088)
1. Battr. (not yet determined)
2. Battr. (not yet determined)
3. Battr. (L 26670)
4. Battr. (not yet determined)
Kommandeur:
Maj. Eugen Huber (Aug 43 - ? )
Flak means Flugabwehrkanone (antiaircraft artillery).
Flakscheinwerfer means searchlight.
This was a battalion-size searchlight unit that illuminated RAF Bomber Command aircraft that bombed the Munich area at night.
--Lorenz
Formed August 1943 in the Luftgau VI area (Ruhr) by renaming III.(Scheinw.)/Flak-Rgt. 14 with an Abteilungstab and 1. – 2. Battr. The number of batteries fluctuated between 2 and 4 during its existence.
History:
Nov 43 – Dec 44: operational as Flakscheinwerfer Untergruppe Ammer/Starnberg. The Ammersee is a large lake located southwest of Munich and Starnberg is a town located 23 km SSW of Munich. The Abteilung was deployed around Starnberg and came under Flakscheinwerfergruppe München (Flakscheinw.Rgt. , which came under 4. Flak-Brigade until May 44, and then under 26. Flak-Div. from Jun 44 to Dec 44.
Jan – May 45: by Mar 45 it had been transferred from Starnberg to northern Italy, probably to beef up the Flak defenses along the approaches to the Brenner Pass.
FpNs: Stab (L 25088)
1. Battr. (not yet determined)
2. Battr. (not yet determined)
3. Battr. (L 26670)
4. Battr. (not yet determined)
Kommandeur:
Maj. Eugen Huber (Aug 43 - ? )
Flak means Flugabwehrkanone (antiaircraft artillery).
Flakscheinwerfer means searchlight.
This was a battalion-size searchlight unit that illuminated RAF Bomber Command aircraft that bombed the Munich area at night.
--Lorenz
For Karl: if only that were the case! No, the information comes from Georg Tessin, Verbände und Truppen der Deutschen Wehrmacht und Waffen-SS 1939-1945, the Norbert Kannapin Feldpostnummer volumes, and from BA-MA Freiburg - Signatur RL 40/Kart. The latter are the monthly Flakartillerie-Lagekarten for 1943 and 1944.
For Sven: thanks for the tip on the "smilie". I will have to be aware of that and be more careful in the future.
--Lorenz
For Sven: thanks for the tip on the "smilie". I will have to be aware of that and be more careful in the future.
--Lorenz
Thanks Lorenz.
I noticed from another thread that that you've visited BA-MA. Can I ask, is it easy to get information from there? I mean, is it possible to turn up at the door and say "I need info on these units!", or do you have to book appointments, know document reference codes, etc. etc.
The idea of it seems daunting - is it?
All the best,
Karl
I noticed from another thread that that you've visited BA-MA. Can I ask, is it easy to get information from there? I mean, is it possible to turn up at the door and say "I need info on these units!", or do you have to book appointments, know document reference codes, etc. etc.
The idea of it seems daunting - is it?
All the best,
Karl
Karl -
I can only speak from my own experience. The last time I visited Freiburg-Merzhausen was 14 years ago, so things may have changed since then.
To "dig out" the information on the Trabas, you would have to research your way through most of the surviving folders in the Signaturen that deal with the Flak forces, including the Lagekarten that I mentioned. My very rough guess is that it would take you perhaps 3 to 4 weeks.
The Benutzerhalle Referent will certainly help point you in the right direction, but he (or she) will not do your research for you. In fact, when I was there, the Referent was a Herr Moritz and he was definitely not user-friendly. He was very fond of picking on researchers there who did not have absolutely fluency in German. A most unpleasant fellow, to say the least, and I still have nightmares about him because he would ridicule you in front of all the other researchers. They have Findbücher in the Benutzerhalle to help you identify specific folders to examine. Once you have identified 5 or 6 folders, you fill out a yellow slip and they pull these for you. It usually takes them 1 to 2 hours to bring the folders to you.
Today, 14 years later, they are all computerized, so the process I've described is probably completely different.
--Lorenz
I can only speak from my own experience. The last time I visited Freiburg-Merzhausen was 14 years ago, so things may have changed since then.
To "dig out" the information on the Trabas, you would have to research your way through most of the surviving folders in the Signaturen that deal with the Flak forces, including the Lagekarten that I mentioned. My very rough guess is that it would take you perhaps 3 to 4 weeks.
The Benutzerhalle Referent will certainly help point you in the right direction, but he (or she) will not do your research for you. In fact, when I was there, the Referent was a Herr Moritz and he was definitely not user-friendly. He was very fond of picking on researchers there who did not have absolutely fluency in German. A most unpleasant fellow, to say the least, and I still have nightmares about him because he would ridicule you in front of all the other researchers. They have Findbücher in the Benutzerhalle to help you identify specific folders to examine. Once you have identified 5 or 6 folders, you fill out a yellow slip and they pull these for you. It usually takes them 1 to 2 hours to bring the folders to you.
Today, 14 years later, they are all computerized, so the process I've described is probably completely different.
--Lorenz