No of men in FlaK, Artillery& Panzerjager Battalions

[David W]

Circa 1941/2 how many men would have been in a FlaK Battalion?
how many men would have been in an artillery Battalion?
how many men would have been in a Panzerjager Battalion?
Would this number have varied much if the Battalions were equipped with self propelled vehicles instead of motorised?

[David W]

Any takers

[Shadow]

Hello David -

Can you estimate the numbers by using Christoph's information set out here for artillerie and panzerjager (under panzertruppen):

http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/

Just a thought on my part.

Best regards, as always -

[David W]

Hello Shadow.

Thanks for the link.

The answer is possibly! I think I will have to leave it until another time when I can devote my entire concentration upon it as I find it a very difficult site to navigate & translate.

Bye for now. Dave.

[Ron Klages]

Dave,

In the 1944 Panzer Division you would find

Panzerjäger-Abteilung with 12 7.5Pak towed and 21 Jagdpanzer IVs:
17 officers
3 officials
145 NCOs
475 enlisted men


Panzer-Artillerie-Regiment with:
56 officers
11 officials
349 NCOs
1055 enlisted men


Panzer-Artillerie-Batallion (Self-Propelled) with 12 Wespe and 6 Hummels:
17 officers
3 officials
129 NCOs
365 enlisted men


Panzer-Artillerie-Batallion (towed) with 8 15cm guns and 4 10cm guns:
17 officers
3 officials
109 NCOs
344 enlisted men


Panzer-Artillerie-Batallion (towed) with 12 10.5cm guns:
15 officers
3 officials
89 NCOs
265 enlisted men

Heeres Flak Artillerie-Abteilung with 6 2cm guns (selfpropelled) and 3 2cm Flak Quad and 9 3.7cm Flak towed and 12 8.8cm Flak towed:
18 officers
3 officials
131 NCOs
483 enlisted men

Hope this data helps.
Best regards,

Ron Klages

[David W]

Thanks Ron.

If it can safely be applied to '41/'42 then it is very helpful.

Cheers Dave.

[David W]

Do you think it can?

[Tanker Mike]

Do you think it can?

No I do not. A 41/42 Panzer Division would have a quite different TO&E than a 44 Panzer Division. One example, no Hummels or Wespe in a 41/42 Panzer Division since they weren't even in production yet. Another example are two different KStNs for a Stabsbatterie in the same year. Go to the Artillerie KStN section at this website;

http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/

583 Stabsbatterie einer Artillerieabteilung (Sfl.) 16.1.1943
583 Stabsbatterie einer Artillerieabteilung (Sf) 1.11.1943

[David W]

Thanks Mike.

That still leaves my original question unanswered though.

I'll share what info I've got, and see if it will promote some discussion that will lead to the truth!

Mot Panzerjaeger: roughly 13 men/gun.
Lt FlaK: roughly 13 men/gun.
Gem Flak: ??
Artillerie: anything between 580 & 1,390!

None of this info comes from actual T.O&E or Kstn. So it may be hopelessly inaccurate. Mind you, some Kstn were hopelessly inaccurate compared to actual T.O.&E!!!

[Ron Klages]

David,

Here is some 1941/1942 data that should give you the information you seek. I have also added some later information that addresses your question about towed equipment versus self-propelled equipment.

Hope this helps,

Best regards,,
Ron Klages

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Here is some information regarding artillerie bataillons :

Horse drawn 10.5cm leFH 18 Battery for an Infantry Division dated 1 November 1941
Officer=4
NCOs=30
Enlisted men=137
Horses=153
10.5cm leFH 18=4

motorized 10.5cm leFH 18 Battery for an motorized Infantry Division dated 1 November 1941
Officer=4
NCOs=19
Enlisted men=96
10.5cm leFH 18=4

motorized 15cm sFH 18 Battery for a Panzer Division dated 1 February 1941
Officer=5
NCOs=25
Enlisted men=138
15cm sFH 18=4

motorized 10cm Kanone Battery for a Panzer Division dated 1 November 1941
Officer=5
NCOs=23
Enlisted men=112
10cm Kanone=4

observation battery for a panzer division artuillery regiment on 1 April 1941
Officer=7
NCOs=31
Enlisted men=146
Guns=0


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Here is some information regarding panzerjäger bataillons :

Panzerjäger kompanie for an infantry division on 1 November 1941
Officer=5
NCOs=30
Enlisted men=118
Guns=12x 3.7cm Pak

Panzerjäger kompanie for an infantry division on 1 December 1942
Officer=5
NCOs=29
Enlisted men=96
Guns=9x 3.7cm Pak and 4x 2cm Flak

Panzerjäger kompanie for a panzer division on 1 November 1941
Officer=4
NCOs=20
Enlisted men=122
Guns=6x 8.8cm Flak 18

Self-propelled panzerjäger kompanie for an panzer division on 1 November 1941
Officer=4
NCOs=22
Enlisted men=78
Guns=9x 4.7cm Pak auf Pz. I chassis

schwere panzerjäger zug of a Stab kompanie for an panzergrenadier division on 1 November 1943
Officer=1
NCOs=5
Enlisted men=27
Guns=3x 7.5cm Pak 40 towed

Motorized panzerjäger zug for motorized infantry dated 1 November 1941
Officer=1
NCOs=4
Enlisted men=29
Guns=3x 3.7cm Pak

Motorized panzerjäger kompanie for an infantry division on 1 November 1943
Officer=3
NCOs=27
Enlisted men=131
Guns=12x 7.5cm Pak 40 towed

Panzerjägerkompanie “Hornisse” dated 30 January 1943
Officer=4
NCOs=47
Enlisted men=98
Guns=10x 8.8cm Pak 40 mounted on Pz IV chassis

Panzerjägerzug“Hornisse” dated 30 January 1943
Officer=1
NCOs=7
Enlisted men=11
Guns=2x 8.8cm Pak 40 mounted on Pz IV chassis

Panzerjägerkompanie “Hornisse” dated 1 November 1943
Officer=3
NCOs=59
Enlisted men=97
Guns=14x 8.8cm Pak 40 mounted on Pz IV chassis

Panzerjägerzug“Hornisse” dated 1 November 1943
Officer=1
NCOs=13
Enlisted men=17
Guns=4x 8.8cm Pak 40 mounted on Pz IV chassis

Marder II oder Marder III schnelle panzerjägerkompanie dated 1 November 1943
Officer=3
NCOs=54
Enlisted men=79
Guns=14x 7.5cm oder 7.62cm Pak mounted on Pz II or Panzer 38(t) chassis

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Here is some data regarding Flak units:

Heeres-Flakbatterie motorized dated 1 November 1943
Officer=3
NCOs=34
Enlisted men=130
Guns=4x 8.8cm Flak towed and 3x 2cm flak towed

Heeres-Flakbatterie static dated 1 November 1943
Officer=3
NCOs=29
Enlisted men=91
Guns=4x 8.8cm Flak towed and 3x 2cm flak towed

Heeres-leichte Flakzug motorized dated 1 November 1943
Officer=0
NCOs=4
Enlisted men=16
Guns= 3x 2cm flak towed

Heeres-leichte Flakzug static dated 1 November 1943
Officer=0
NCOs=4
Enlisted men=12
Guns= 3x 2cm flak towed

Heeres- Flakzug motorized dated 1 November 1943
Officer=1
NCOs=5
Enlisted men=50
Guns= 4x 8.8cm Flak towed

Heeres- Flakzugstaticdated 1 November 1943
Officer=1
NCOs=5
Enlisted men=44
Guns= 4x 8.8cm Flak towed

[David W]

That's totally brilliant Ron

Thank you very much.

Best wishes, Dave.