Does any one have a T.o.E for the 1st Abtielung of the 18th motorised FlAK Regiment. For Spring 1941 in North Africa ?
Thanks... Dave.
I Abtielung 18th Motorised FlAK Regiment
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Hi again David,
No help regarding a TOE for the unit but here is some information.
Ron
I./Flak-Regiment 18 (gem. mot.):
• Formed 1.10.36 in Mannheim. On 1.10.37 redesignated I./Flak-Regiment 49.
• Reformed 15.11.38 in Wiener-Neustadt from Flak-Abteilung Wiener-Neustadt, with 1. - 5. Batterien.
• Destroyed 5.43 in Tunisia.
• Reformed 9.44 in Luftgau VI from Flak-Abteilung 11900 with 1. - 5. Batterien.
Service:
10.36 - 10.37 under Höh.Kdr.d.Flakart. in Luftkreis IV
11.38 - 8.39 under Luftgaukommando XVII
9.39 Koluft 14th Armee, Poland
16.4.40 under I. Flakkorps (Stab/Flak-Regiment 102)
1.6.40 under Flak-Brigade I (Stab/Flak-Regiment 102)
12.7.40 under Flak-Brigade I (Stab/Flak-Regiment 102)
1.41 to Sicily with Stab/Flak-Regiment 102
3.41 to Africa
1941/42 in Africa (Sollum, Tobruk, El Alamein) under 19. Flak-Division (Stab/Flak-Regiment 135)
1943 in Tunisia
9.44 under 18. Flak-Brigade (Stab/Flak-Regiment 87)
1.11.44 under 16. Flak-Division (Stab/Flak-Regiment 87)
1.12.44 under 16. Flak-Division (Stab/Flak-Regiment 20)
1944/45 Niederrhein (Luftgau VI)
No help regarding a TOE for the unit but here is some information.
Ron
I./Flak-Regiment 18 (gem. mot.):
• Formed 1.10.36 in Mannheim. On 1.10.37 redesignated I./Flak-Regiment 49.
• Reformed 15.11.38 in Wiener-Neustadt from Flak-Abteilung Wiener-Neustadt, with 1. - 5. Batterien.
• Destroyed 5.43 in Tunisia.
• Reformed 9.44 in Luftgau VI from Flak-Abteilung 11900 with 1. - 5. Batterien.
Service:
10.36 - 10.37 under Höh.Kdr.d.Flakart. in Luftkreis IV
11.38 - 8.39 under Luftgaukommando XVII
9.39 Koluft 14th Armee, Poland
16.4.40 under I. Flakkorps (Stab/Flak-Regiment 102)
1.6.40 under Flak-Brigade I (Stab/Flak-Regiment 102)
12.7.40 under Flak-Brigade I (Stab/Flak-Regiment 102)
1.41 to Sicily with Stab/Flak-Regiment 102
3.41 to Africa
1941/42 in Africa (Sollum, Tobruk, El Alamein) under 19. Flak-Division (Stab/Flak-Regiment 135)
1943 in Tunisia
9.44 under 18. Flak-Brigade (Stab/Flak-Regiment 87)
1.11.44 under 16. Flak-Division (Stab/Flak-Regiment 87)
1.12.44 under 16. Flak-Division (Stab/Flak-Regiment 20)
1944/45 Niederrhein (Luftgau VI)
Ron Klages
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Standard Luftwaffe Flak-Abteilung:
I./Flak.Rgt. 18 (mot)
KStN 2131(L) - Headquarters, mixed Flak Battalion
KStN 2185(L) - Signal Platoon, mixed Flak Battalion
KStN 2465(L) - Light Flak Column, mixed Flak Battalion
KStN 2331(L) - 1. to 3. Bttr.: with 4x 20mm Flak, 4x 88mm Flak
KStN 2201(L) - 4. to 5. Bttr.: with 12x 20mm Flak
Subordinated to Stab, Flak.Rgt. 135.
Cheers
Leo
I./Flak.Rgt. 18 (mot)
KStN 2131(L) - Headquarters, mixed Flak Battalion
KStN 2185(L) - Signal Platoon, mixed Flak Battalion
KStN 2465(L) - Light Flak Column, mixed Flak Battalion
KStN 2331(L) - 1. to 3. Bttr.: with 4x 20mm Flak, 4x 88mm Flak
KStN 2201(L) - 4. to 5. Bttr.: with 12x 20mm Flak
Subordinated to Stab, Flak.Rgt. 135.
Cheers
Leo
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Flak in North Africa through May 1943:
Hqs, 19. Flak-Div
Hqs, 20. Flak-Div
Hqs, Flak-Rgt 66
Hqs, Flak-Rgt 78
Hqs, Flak-Rgt 102
Hqs, Flak-Rgt 135
motorized mixed battalion (3 heavy, 2 light batteries):
II./Flak-Rgt 5
I./Flak-Rgt 6
II./Flak-Rgt 12
I./Flak-Rgt 18
II./Flak-Rgt 25
I./Flak-Rgt 33
I./Flak-Rgt 43
I./Flak-Rgt 46
II./Flak-Rgt 52
I./Flak-Rgt 53
I./Flak-Rgt 54
I./Flak-Rgt GG
transportable mixed battalion:
354. Reserve Flak-Abt (3 heavy, 2 light batteries)
3. (heavy)Bttr/523 Reserve Flak-Abt
4. (heavy)Bttr/523 Reserve Flak-Abt
644. Reserve Flak-Abt (4 heavy batteries)
transportable heavy battalion :
1. (heavy) Bttr/403. Reserve Flak-Abt (from Winter 42/43: schwere Flak Abt)
3. (heavy) Bttr/452. Reserve Flak-Abt
511. Flak-Abt (3 heavy batteries)
static heavy battalion:
114. Reserve Flak-Abt (3 heavy batteries)
5. (heavy) Bttr/192. Reserve Flak-Abt
243. Flak-Abt (4 heavy batteries)
1. (heavy) Bttr/264. Reserve Flak-Abt (from Winter 42/43: schwere Flak Abt)
2. (heavy) Bttr/264. Reserve Flak-Abt (from Winter 42/43: schwere Flak Abt)
357. Flak-Abt (4 heavy batteries)
372. Flak-Abt (3 heavy batteries)
motorized light battalions:
805. Flak-Abt (3 light batteries)
841. Flak-Abt (3 light batteries)
1. (light) Bttr/860 Flak-Abt
II./GG Flak-Rgt (5 light batteries)
transportable light battalion:
914. Flak-Abt (4 light batteries)
Also, for completeness
329 Searchlight Bn (transportable)
358 Searchlight Bn (mot)
368 Searchlight Bn (static)
102 Flak Calibration Platoon
144 Flak Calibration Platoon
motorized: fully capable of moving at all times. In the case of light guns, these might well be self-propelled.
transportable: capable of being moved in bits and pieces, some motor vehicles.
static: guns probably mounted in fixed positions, no motor vehicles at all.
Reserve: part of the designation (e.g.: "Reserve Flak Regiment")
These have been gathered over the years. I think I have all, but would appreciate any ammendments, corrections, etc. I do not have the gun calibers for all the light batteries/battalions.
Cheers
Leo
Hqs, 19. Flak-Div
Hqs, 20. Flak-Div
Hqs, Flak-Rgt 66
Hqs, Flak-Rgt 78
Hqs, Flak-Rgt 102
Hqs, Flak-Rgt 135
motorized mixed battalion (3 heavy, 2 light batteries):
II./Flak-Rgt 5
I./Flak-Rgt 6
II./Flak-Rgt 12
I./Flak-Rgt 18
II./Flak-Rgt 25
I./Flak-Rgt 33
I./Flak-Rgt 43
I./Flak-Rgt 46
II./Flak-Rgt 52
I./Flak-Rgt 53
I./Flak-Rgt 54
I./Flak-Rgt GG
transportable mixed battalion:
354. Reserve Flak-Abt (3 heavy, 2 light batteries)
3. (heavy)Bttr/523 Reserve Flak-Abt
4. (heavy)Bttr/523 Reserve Flak-Abt
644. Reserve Flak-Abt (4 heavy batteries)
transportable heavy battalion :
1. (heavy) Bttr/403. Reserve Flak-Abt (from Winter 42/43: schwere Flak Abt)
3. (heavy) Bttr/452. Reserve Flak-Abt
511. Flak-Abt (3 heavy batteries)
static heavy battalion:
114. Reserve Flak-Abt (3 heavy batteries)
5. (heavy) Bttr/192. Reserve Flak-Abt
243. Flak-Abt (4 heavy batteries)
1. (heavy) Bttr/264. Reserve Flak-Abt (from Winter 42/43: schwere Flak Abt)
2. (heavy) Bttr/264. Reserve Flak-Abt (from Winter 42/43: schwere Flak Abt)
357. Flak-Abt (4 heavy batteries)
372. Flak-Abt (3 heavy batteries)
motorized light battalions:
805. Flak-Abt (3 light batteries)
841. Flak-Abt (3 light batteries)
1. (light) Bttr/860 Flak-Abt
II./GG Flak-Rgt (5 light batteries)
transportable light battalion:
914. Flak-Abt (4 light batteries)
Also, for completeness
329 Searchlight Bn (transportable)
358 Searchlight Bn (mot)
368 Searchlight Bn (static)
102 Flak Calibration Platoon
144 Flak Calibration Platoon
motorized: fully capable of moving at all times. In the case of light guns, these might well be self-propelled.
transportable: capable of being moved in bits and pieces, some motor vehicles.
static: guns probably mounted in fixed positions, no motor vehicles at all.
Reserve: part of the designation (e.g.: "Reserve Flak Regiment")
These have been gathered over the years. I think I have all, but would appreciate any ammendments, corrections, etc. I do not have the gun calibers for all the light batteries/battalions.
Cheers
Leo
WOW
Leo, you have excelled yourself.
It has taken me ages to digest all that info, hence the delay in posting my thanks.
That was all very useful, thank you
Just a couple of questions if I may.................
Do you have date of arrival in theatre for FlAK Abt 841 & 805?
(I never knew 805 even existed before today!!)
Did any of the transportable units see any action that you know of?
Once again I find myself in your debt.
Yours humbly........ David.
P.S I assume there was a reason for you not mentioning Fla Abt 190 606 609 & 612.
Also I can confirm that I can add nothing in the way of other FlAK units known to have been in theatre.
Leo, you have excelled yourself.
It has taken me ages to digest all that info, hence the delay in posting my thanks.
That was all very useful, thank you
Just a couple of questions if I may.................
Do you have date of arrival in theatre for FlAK Abt 841 & 805?
(I never knew 805 even existed before today!!)
Did any of the transportable units see any action that you know of?
Once again I find myself in your debt.
Yours humbly........ David.
P.S I assume there was a reason for you not mentioning Fla Abt 190 606 609 & 612.
Also I can confirm that I can add nothing in the way of other FlAK units known to have been in theatre.
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I did the listing from, amongst other sources, H.A. Koch's "Flak" and Tessin, various Kriegsgliederung, and a listing of units lost in Tunesia. None, unfortunately, mention arrival dates in theater. And only Luftwaffen units assigned to the Army are indicated in the Kriegsgliederung. Those operating directly under Luftwaffen control would not be listed there. Have to wait for Jentz' further works on North Arfrica for convoy data indicating units transported.
lei.Flak-Abt 805 - my notes indicate 41-42 in North Africa under 102. Flak-Rgt at Benghasi. [No idea where I found this anymore - like I said, the files are a bit dusty.] Note, however, Tessin and Michael Holm disagree, stating it was in Greece the whole time.
lei.Flak-Abt 841 - 3.41 to Africa
I'm sure all the Flak units saw "action" - the entire North African coast was under some sort of attack (air, naval, ground) at one time or another. Although I take it you probably mean ground action. Which I don't know.
By FlaAbt you no doubt mean Fla-Bataillon 190 606 609 & 612. These were not Luftwaffen (Airforce) but Heer (Army) units. Hence I did not mention them. We did those a while ago, remember?
Cheers
Leo
lei.Flak-Abt 805 - my notes indicate 41-42 in North Africa under 102. Flak-Rgt at Benghasi. [No idea where I found this anymore - like I said, the files are a bit dusty.] Note, however, Tessin and Michael Holm disagree, stating it was in Greece the whole time.
lei.Flak-Abt 841 - 3.41 to Africa
I'm sure all the Flak units saw "action" - the entire North African coast was under some sort of attack (air, naval, ground) at one time or another. Although I take it you probably mean ground action. Which I don't know.
By FlaAbt you no doubt mean Fla-Bataillon 190 606 609 & 612. These were not Luftwaffen (Airforce) but Heer (Army) units. Hence I did not mention them. We did those a while ago, remember?
Cheers
Leo
Leo.
Ah yes! I remember now, Heer = Battalion. Luftwaffe = Abteilung.
No, by way of "action" I was refering to air defence of other ground units, rather than air defence of Towns, airfields, ports, supply dumps etc. The latter I assume would have been defended by the static units.
Thanks for your research. Dave.
P.s would it be right, in assuming that doctrinaly, Luftwaffe FlAK units would defend "places" & that Heer FlAK units would defend other ground units. Or is this an over simplification?
Ah yes! I remember now, Heer = Battalion. Luftwaffe = Abteilung.
No, by way of "action" I was refering to air defence of other ground units, rather than air defence of Towns, airfields, ports, supply dumps etc. The latter I assume would have been defended by the static units.
Thanks for your research. Dave.
P.s would it be right, in assuming that doctrinaly, Luftwaffe FlAK units would defend "places" & that Heer FlAK units would defend other ground units. Or is this an over simplification?