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Christoph Awender wrote:Hello Guy,
Unfortunately the part of my site John refers to is not yet online again so I answer your question this way.
1 and 2: Can surely be answered by someone else... I would have to look it up and I am in a bit of a hurry.
3) You have basically four types of medical personnel relevant to this question.
a) Hilfskrankenträger= auxiliary stretcher bearers - were normal members of a company with a little bit advanced first aid training. In case a combat situation made it necessary they "dropped" their weapon, got a armband (either "Hilfskrankenträger" or a red cross armband), a basic first aid pouch and mainly recovered wounded comrades from the field plus providing basic aid (bandages etc...).
There were usually 8 such men preselected for this.
b) Krankenträger - Stretcher bearers - were constantly with the company, constantly marked with a red cross armband, had two medic pouches and a pistol. There were usually four in an 1941 infantry company. They were better trained in first aid. These Krankenträger had the same colour of arms on their uniform as the company type.
c) Sanitätsunteroffizier - medical NCO - There was one in each company size formation. He was responsible for the professional medical treatment and organisation in the company during garrison and in the field. He was specially trained in a medical school (training about 6 months) + special courses. They always were marked with a red cross armband and a caduceus emblem on the left respectively right lower arm (army or Air force) and showed the cornflower blue colour of arms of the medical branch.
If necessary the medical NCO´s of the companies gathered and built the Truppenverbandplatz of the battalion.
d) Sanitätsoffiziere - medical officers - were doctors. The first level they were seen is the battalion doctor in the battalion headquarter. This was usually a young doctor who provided first professional life supprt at the troop bandaging station of the battlion. Of course in mobile situations etc.. directly at the patient in the field.
I think this answers 3 and 4.
5) Everyone!.... this could be the ambulances of the Krankenkraftwagenzüge or the headquarter formations as well as the comrades on horse drawn or manpower drawn coaches. In times of war everything was necessary.
6) Krankenträger had....
1 anatomical tweezers, 1 clinical thermoneter, 1 wood-spatula, 1 nail-cleaner, 1 scissor 14cm - 16cm long, 3 band aids 5m x7cm , 6 band aid packs, 1 ligature-bind, 1 leather case with 20 safety-pins, 1 piece waterproof band aid 50 x 45cm
1 paper-box with 2 iodine bottles 4ccm Tinctura Jodi, 1 artificial resine soapbox with 50g soap, 1 paperbox with 1 roll Collemplastrum Zinci 5m x 2,5cm, 5 band aid packs 8cm x 9,5cm in paper, 1 grey aluminium box with 1 one tube 10ccm Unguentum saliicylici 2%ig, 2 tubes 10ccm Unguentum Formaldehydi 8%ig, 1 tube 10ccm alcalic eye-ointment. 5 aluminium tablet-tubes with 20 tablets Acidum acetylosalicylicum 0,5g, 20 tablets Opium 0,03g, 15 tablets Rhizoma Rei 0.5g, 20 tablets Cardiazol 0,1g, 10 tablets Natrium bicarbonic 1,0g.
Weight: 1,6kg, dimensions: 17x8x10,5cm, Packordnung: H.Dv.208/4
7) As said above.. in each frontline formation there was medical personnel .
YES they were more or less often forced to defend themselves.
9) Well, there is no answer to this question. You have to specify it. That depends on when he was captured (some were exchanged during war), who catched them, who the soldier was, what he did, where he was taken to etc.. etc...
From the USSR the first returned on 22.JUly 1946 and the last 1955 or 56.
lexiebabe wrote:Since my grandfather was a medic (or, officially: a Sanitäterunteroffizier), I can tell you the following things. He was trained at Blankenburg/Harz (Heeres-Sanitäts-Staffel) for six months, after this course he was in Bückeburg, 3. Kompagnie Sanitäts-Ersatz Abteilung 3 for two months and was transferred to Holland in december 1942. He joined the Pionier Bataillon 347. He became a POW on March 25 1945, Near the Rhine (Germersheim). He was released in februari 1947. I really can't tell why he was a prisoner for almost two years. He was a POW in AMerican, British and French camps. Why? Just because, I think.
He became a Sani, after he was wounded in Russia. He was in a Genesenden Kompagnie (Inf. Ers. Bat. 497) for five months. He wasn't (that's what I think) fit for frontduty, so he was placed in Alkmaar, Holland. Far away from any front. When he was captured, he was part of the artillery Bataillon 347. As far as I know, he worked in a Dutch hospital here in Alkmaar, not so much place for an artillery unit!
And Cristoph, thanks a lot for the part about the medical NCO! It sure helped clearing a few small things, again!
But still, there are 100.000 questions remaining.
D'haeseleer Guy wrote:...I have several questions about the German Army in general and its medics. Guy
HaEn wrote:There also were a whole group of guys trained as "krankenträgers" or "hilfskrankenträgers'. (Wounded carriers and assistant wounded carriers.)
They got a few weeks or up to two months 'fïeld first aid en hygiene" training, and were returned to their own units, with just a little sleeve patch.
Sometimes (as in my case) they served in double capacity, for example I was a Krad melder (motorcycle dispatch runner) as well as a "krankenträger',
Due to lack of gasoline the "krad" melder in the end became "rad fuss oder bauch" melder. ( bike, walk or crawl runner)
Dr. HaEn wrote:The "Aesculape" (snake on a stick) that was issued to me after a mere two months training (in between regular training) as a 'hilfskrankenträger" was worn by me on the RIGHT sleeve, just like the picture shows. There were others who wore theirs on the left sleeve, so I am not sure what was the norm. If I am not mistaken the color of the aeasculape was blue, but I may confuse it with the one I wore much later with the Netherlands Red Cross Corps, looking identical, but on a rectangular piece of cloth. i never wore the red cross armband, as (according to seasoned vets of the time) it served ill willed opponents as a target.
Also I was issued a "bag" rather than the Koppeltaschen; and at Arnhem I used a British medic bag when mine ran out of supplies. Actually that's the only thing I had left from that time, and I carried it through camps , later civilian life, and even took it with me to the U.S. At one point I spray-painted it aluminum and used it as carry all for my car-tools.
Not too long ago I gave it to a friend who had post war issues, but not one that visibly was stamped 1942.
B.T.w. I have stayed a medic all my life in one way or another.
Just an old memory
tigre wrote:Hello guys ; just as a little complement, take a look here.........
Cheers. Raúl M .
Depends on the 'Welle', my grandfather was born in 1908 and called for service in 1939, in the fourth Welle. Before the ware the age was 20-21, after the service in the RAD. From 1943 on, boys from 17 year could serve in the Army. In 1945 were boys at the age of 16 enlisted, below that age service was voluntary. Not to mention a lot of the boys were pressed for service.How old were the men who were called to serve in the German Army before WW2?
lexiebabe wrote:Depends on the 'Welle', my grandfather was born in 1908 and called for service in 1939, in the fourth Welle. Before the ware the age was 20-21, after the service in the RAD. From 1943 on, boys from 17 year could serve in the Army. In 1945 were boys at the age of 16 enlisted, below that age service was voluntary. Not to mention a lot of the boys were pressed for service.How old were the men who were called to serve in the German Army before WW2?
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