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Security units in France 1941-1944

Postby Loïc B. » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:38 am

Hello Feldgrauians !

Could someone tell me whether a list of these units exist ?
I'm looking for the Sicherungs Regimenter and - more difficult - the Landesschützen Bataillone, if possible with their period of presence in France.

I found yet the following ones :
- Sicherungs Regimenter 1, 5, 6 and 190 (325. Sicherungs Division, after August 1942 at least).
- Sicherungs Regimenter 191, 194, 197 and 199 or battalions of these regiments (formed in February 1943 from Landesschützen Bataillone ?).
- Landesschützen Bataillone 210, 378*, 392*, 402, 428, 454, 577*, 605, 654*, 685, 690, 722, 906* and 907, Landesschützen Bataillon zur besonderen Verwendungs 527.

* The whole or parts of them were used to form the Sicherungs Regiment 191 on February 10th 1943.

Another source told me that there were also the following : Sicherungs Regimenter 95, 192, 196, 198 and 200.

In any case, any information concerning the Landesschützen or the Sicherungs units in France at this time would be useful.

Thanks for your help,
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Postby Christian » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:05 pm

Loïc,

The following might be of interest:
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/SichDiv/Index.htm

Here is an outline of the records available at the Bundesarchiv in Freiburg in respect to Landesschützen/Sicherungs-Bataillone.

Record ID: RH 38
Verbände und Einheiten der Sicherungs- und Landesschützentruppen


Informationen zum Bestand
Für Sicherungsaufgaben (Objektschutz) in den rückwärtigen Gebieten, auch in der Heimat, und zur Kriegsgefangenen-Bewachung wurden bei der Mobilmachung 1939 aus älteren Jahrgängen Landesschützenregimenter und -bataillone aufgestellt. Seit dem Krieg gegen die Sowjetunion erhielt der ursprüngliche Sicherungsauftrag durch die Kämpfe gegen Partisanen im besetzten Gebiet der UdSSR, bald auch auf dem Balkan und im Westen, eine neue Bedeutung mit umfangreicheren Aufgaben. Die für die Sicherungsdivisionen oder zum selbständigen Einsatz in den rückwärtigen Armee- und Heeresgebieten bestimmten Landesschützeneinheiten wurden in Sicherungsregimenter und -bataillone umbenannt. Den verbliebenen Landesschützeneinheiten oblag danach fast ausschließlich die Bewachung der Kriegsgefangeneneinrichtungen. Für den Transportschutz wurden besondere Transportbegleit-, später Transportsicherungsregimenter und -bataillone aufgestellt.

Überlieferung
Erhalten geblieben ist von all diesen Einheiten nur bruchstückhaftes Schriftgut; vom Landesschützenregiment 92 sind ca. 70 AE aus 1939-1943 überliefert. Einsatzunterlagen sind vorhanden von folgenden:
Landesschützen- bzw. Sicherungs-Regimentern: Nr. 1 (3 AE/1940,1943-44); Nr. 3 (2 AE/1941), Nr. 27 (4 AE/1941-43), Nr. 36 (3 AE/1942-43), Nr. 44 (1 AE/1944), Nr. 45 (11 AE/1941-43), 46 (1 AE/1942), Nr. 72 (1 AE/1941), Nr. 95 (1 AE 1939-44), Nr. 107 (1 AE/1941), Nr. 113 (6 AE/1940-44), Nr. 183 (2 AE/1943), Nr. 190 (3 AE/1942-44), Nr. 193 (1 AE/1943-44), Nr. 198 (1 AE/1944-45), Nr. 200 (2 AE/1943-44), Nr. 631 (1 AE/1943) und Nr. 930 (1 AE/1943). Landesschützen- bzw. Sicherungs-Bataillonen: Nr. 236 (2 AE/1942), Nr. 242 (3 AE/1943), Nr. 275 (2 AE/1942-43), Nr. 301 (1/1942), Nr. 301 (1 AE/1942), Nr. 323 (2 AE/1942), Nr. 352 (2 AE/1941-42), Nr. 373 (1 AE/1941), Nr. 407 (1 AE/1939-45), Nr. 452 (1 AE/1942), Nr. 454 (1 AE/1941), Nr. 465 (1 AE/1940), Nr. 469 (1 AE/1943), Nr. 517 (1AE/1943-45), Nr. 556 (1 AE/1939-45), Nr. 578 (2 AE/1941-42), Nr. 608 (1 AE/1942), Nr. 611 (2 AE/143-44), Nr. 615 (1 AE/1940-41), Nr. 622 (5 AE/1941-44), Nr. 638 (1 AE/1942), Nr. 683 (1 AE/1941), Nr. 723 (1 AE/1939), Nr. 743 (2 AE/1942), Nr. 759 (1 AE/1944), Nr. 762 (2 AE/1939-40), Nr. 774 (1 AE/1939-45), Nr. 791 (3 AE/1942-43), Nr. 820 (2 AE/1939-41), Nr. 839 (3 AE/193945), Nr. 859 (1 AE/1942), Nr. 865 (1 AE/1941), Nr. 868 (1 AE/1944-45), Nr. 869 (1 AE/1941), Nr. 886 (! AE/1943), Nr. 899 (1 AE/1943), Nr. 908 (1 AE/1939-41), Nr. 922 (1 AE/1944), Nr. 953 (1 AE/1941-45), Nr. 960 (2 AE/1941-42), Nr. 973 (1 AE/1941), Nr. 1006 (1 AE/1945), Nr. 1022 (1 AE/1944) und Nr. 1218 (1 AE/1944-45).

Hope his helps.

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Landesschützen-Btl. in France

Postby Jason Long » Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:35 am

Loïc,
I have some OBs from the Geheimentagesberichten that cover the deployments of the LS-Btl. in France that I can probably post for several dates if you're interested. But what exactly are you interested in?

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Postby Loïc B. » Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:56 am

Wow ! Thank you Christian and Jason, I completely forgot that I had posted about this topic !

Christian : unfortunately, my German is really bad... But thanks for the information, I'll try to find a friend who can translate your text.

Jason : I'm looking for the numbers of the Sicherungs Regimenter and Landesschützen Bataillone deployed in France 1940-1944. The dates I'm interested in are the whole in this period ;) But particularly June 1941, December 1941, May 1942, November 1942, July 1943 and June 1944.
Anyway, I'll take everything you have if I can :D

Thanks for your help,
Very best regards,

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Postby Jason Long » Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:07 pm

Hmm, they're not in the folder where they're supposed to be. I'll try to clean off my desk to hunt for them. So expect some delays.

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Postby Loïc B. » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:41 am

There's really no problem Jason. Thanks for your time and future answers ;)

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Postby Jason Long » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:08 am

Loïc,
Here's a transcription of the OBs. POW Btl. are ordinary LS-Btl. assigned to POW camps as guards. Have you looked up the 190 series Sich.Rgt. in Tessin?

LS-Btl in France 31.5.1942
LS-Rgt. 66 - 467, 630, 392, 628, 756, 421, 761, 703, 951, 906, 577, 425, 629, 541; POW Btl. 846, 581, 540, 580

LS-Rgt. 56 - 388, 279, 745, 459, 753, 641, 658, 845, 903, 329, 640, 640, 722, 971, 904, 605; POW Btl. 745, 746, 961, 907, 690, 527, 691

LS-Rgt. 95 - 764, 341, 763, 340, 341, 418, 763, 758, 340, 751, 768; POW-Btl. 385, 656, 769, 656

Wach-Rgt. 1 Paris - 455, 458, 760
Wach-Rgt. 2 Paris - 453, 454, 457
Wach-Rgt. 3 Paris - 378, 654, 817

7.1.1943
LS-Rgt. 66 - 467, 630, 761, 457, 951, 919, 392, 756, 45(1?), 703, 378, 628, 906, 577, 421, 341, 425, 505, 541, 629; POW Btl. 846, 503

LS-Rgt. 56 - 388, 279, 971, 849, 845, 753, 903, 904, 658, 744, 453, 459, 641, 329, 640, 639, 428, 454, 722, 605, 644, 745; POW Btl. 907, 690, 745, 527, 799, 686, 691

LS-Rgt. 95 - 764, 338, 817, 763, 339, 654, 768, 418, 751, 340, 758; POW Btl. 656

Sich.Div. 325 - Sich.Rgt. 1, 5, 6

OB West - 385, 540, 581, 685, 748, 769, 848, 961 intended for southern France

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Postby Loïc B. » Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:35 pm

Thanks a lot, Jason, it fits perfectly with my research.
An answer at your question concerning Tessin : I don't have any access to his books, so I can't check in. It's a pity, because I'm sure that I could find a lot of things concerning the 190-serie of the Sicherungs Regimenter.

Another question : what is the process to build a Landesschützen Regiment ? Because if I count well, the Lds. Rgt. 56 had 25 battalions ! A lot more than an usual regiment, isn't it ?

Thanks again for your help !
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LS-Rgt. in France

Postby Jason Long » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:11 pm

Loïc,
Yes, in more normal circumstances a LS/Sich.-Rgt. controlled 1-5 security units. I can only suppose that the German did things this way in France because of the low threat that they faced there.

Here are extracts from Tessin for Sich-Rgt. 190-194 (I'll do the others later):
Sicherungs-Rgt. Stab 190
1 Feb 43 Stab formed in Paris from Stab Sich.Rgt. von Cleve
21 Feb 43 LS-Btl. 341, 425, 541, and 629 assigned; later 341. LS-Btl. relieved of assignment and remaining battalions redesignated as I.-III. Subordinated to 325. Sicherungs Division
Aug 44 destroyed in Paris

Sicherungs-Rgt. Stab 191
1 Feb 43 formed in Northwestern France from LS-Btl. 906 (Sissone), 378 (Charleville), 392 (Clermont), 577 (Amiens) as I.-IV. and 4./LS-Btl. 654 as 13.
Nov 43 I./ sent to the East
1944 Stab Laon, II. Charleville, III. Quimper, IV. Amiens
Jun 44 I./ destroyed at Minsk and Vitebsk
4 Oct 44 disbanded after being destroyed in France

Sicherungs-Rgt. Stab 192
1 Feb 43 Stab formed in Orleans from Stab Sich.Rgt. Orleans
15 Feb 43 LS-Btl. 630 (Orleans), 628 (Melun), 457 (Blois), 421 (Bourges) as I.-IV., 2./LS-Btl. 457 as 13. and 2./421 as 14.
1 Nov 43 I./ tranferred to the East
1944 IV. in Carches
May 44 I./ redesignated as I./Sich.Rgt. 57
Dec 44 disbanded after being destroyed in France

Sicherungs-Rgt. Stab 193
15 Feb 43 formed from LS-Btl. 919 (Alençon), 951 (St. Lô), 451 (Chartres), 467 (Caen) as I.-IV., 4./LS-Btl. 451 as 13. and 4./467 as 14.
1944 I. Calais, II. St. Lô, III. (Evreux), IV. (Laigle)
Summer 44 destroyed in France
1945 remains of III./ in Godesberg and IV. in Oldenzaal

Sicherungs-Rgt. Stab 194
28 Jan 43 Stab formed in Nantes from Stab Sich.Rgt. 2
15 Feb 43 LS-Btl. 428 (Bordeaux), 279 (Vannes), 744 (Nantes), 658 (Nantes) as I.-IV., 4./LS-Btl. 658 as 13. and 1./644 as 14.
Winter 43-44 II./ and III./ transferred to the southern France
May 44 Stab Toulouse, I. Angers, II. Digne, III. Mondragon, IV. Toulouse
Fall 44 I. Rennes, II. Nizza, III. Dijon and Belfort, IV. destroyed
44-45 III. absorbed by 189. Infantry Division remainder by 16. Volks-Grenadier Division

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Re: LS-Rgt. in France

Postby Rich » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:43 pm

Jason Long wrote:Loïc,
Here are extracts from Tessin for Sich-Rgt. 190-194 (I'll do the others later):Jason


Hi Jason! Any chance you might have more for Sich.-Rgt. 195-199? I know that II./195 was in the Cotentin and that Rgt. 199 was in the south, but the rest is a mystery (okay, so I don't have the time to run to the LOC to consult Tessin :D ). Anything might help, I'm trying to nail down the LS units circa 6 June 1944.
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Postby Jason Long » Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:58 pm

Loïc,
Here's 195. But it may take me a while to get to the others.

Sicherungs-Rgt. Stab 195
1 Feb 43 Stab formed in Rennes from Stab Sich.Rgt. 3
15 Feb 43 LS-Btl. 845 (Rennes), 849 (Dinan), 753 (Laval), 971 (Nantes) as I.-IV., 4./LS-Btl. 753 as 13. and 4./454 as 14.
1 Nov 43 I./ sent to the East and later redesignated as Sich.Btl. 1008
May 44 II./ Caen, III./ Quincin
Jun 44 located in Dillstein with the exception of the newly formed I. battalion which was created as replacement
late 44 disbanded after being destroyed in France

The June info must be after the invasion
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Postby Jason Long » Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:15 pm

Well, maybe not so long after all.

Sicherungs-Rgt. Stab 196
1 Feb 43 Stab formed from Stab Sich.Rgt. 4
15 Feb 43 LS-Btl. 641 (Niort), 329 (Poitiers), 640 (Saintes), 639 (Angoulême) as I.-IV.
28 Feb 43 Stab in Parthenay, France
1 Sep 43 Stab in Poitiers
1 Nov 43 I./ sent to the East and later redesignated as Sich.Btl. 1009
May 44 Stab and III./ in Poitiers, II./ Le Mans, IV./ Tours
Aug 44 disbanded after being destroyed in France

Sicherungs-Rgt. Stab 197
1 Feb 43 Stab formed in Bordeaux from Stab Sich.Rgt. 5
15 Feb 43 LS-Btl. 454 (Mont-de-Marsan), 605 (Bordeaux), 388 (Bordeaux), 745 (Bordeaux) as I.-IV., 4./LS-Btl. 903 as 13. and 3./644 as 14./
May 44 III./ in Saintes
late 44 disbanded after being destroyed in France
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Postby Jason Long » Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:38 pm

Sicherungs-Rgt. Stab 198
21 Jan 43 Stab formed in Nancy from Stab Sich.Rgt. Nancy
15 Feb 43 LS-Btl. 764 (Nancy), 817 (Verdun), 768 (Nancy), 338 (Vesoul) as I.-IV., 4./LS-Btl. 817 as 13. and 4./768 as 14.
6 Aug 43 I./ sent to Marseille under Sich.Rgt. Böhmer and later sent to Besançon
Aug 44 disbanded after being destroyed in France except for Sich.Btl. Märker which was assigned to Korück 19. Armee in Oct 44
Jan 45 Sich.Btl. Märker redesignated as I./Sich.Rgt. 198

Sicherungs-Rgt. Stab 199
1 Feb 43 Stab formed in Troyes from Stab Sich.Rgt. Troyes
15 Feb 43 LS-Btl. 339 (Troyes), 763 (Chalons), 654 (Chaumont), 722 (Bordeaux) as I.-IV., 4./LS-Btl. 763 as 13. and 4./751 as 14.
6 Aug 43 I./ redesignated as III./Sich.Rgt. Böhmer and sent to Marseille
May 44 Stab in Bar-sur-Aube, II./ Chaumont, III./ Joigny, IV./ Chalons
Aug 44 destroyed in France except for Sich.Btl. 199 (apparently formed by consolidation of the remnants of the regiment) which was assigned to 19. Armee in Oct 44

Sicherungs-Rgt. Stab 200
1 Sep 43 formed in southwestern France from LS-Btl. 385 (Lyons), 540 (Avignon), 848 (Toulouse), 961 (Rodez) as I.-IV.
May 44 Stab and IV./ in Lyons, I./ Aix, II./Valence, III./ Nimes
late 44 mostly destroyed during the retreat from France
1 Nov 44 I./ redesignated as Feldersatz.Btl. 1057 of 157. Reserve Gebirgs-Division
1944-45 Stab assigned to 19. Armee along the Upper Rhine
14 Apr 45 Stab redesignated as Stab Grenadier-Rgt. 766 and assinged to 157. Reserve Gebirgs-Division
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Postby Rich » Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:28 pm

Jason Long wrote:Sicherungs-Rgt. Stab 198
21 Jan 43 Stab formed in Nancy from Stab Sich.Rgt. Nancy
15 Feb 43 LS-Btl. 764 (Nancy), 817 (Verdun), 768 (Nancy), 338 (Vesoul) as I.-IV., 4./LS-Btl. 817 as 13. and 4./768 as 14.
6 Aug 43 I./ sent to Marseille under Sich.Rgt. Böhmer and later sent to Besançon
Aug 44 destroyed in France except for Sich.Btl. 199 which was assigned to 19. Armee in Oct 44


Hi Jason,

Is that a typo for Sich.-Rgt. 199? Also it is curious, since I have fragmentary info that says that III./Sich.-Regt. 199 was formed from Ls.-Btl. 654 at Troyes and that was what later was called Sich.-Btl. 199? As usual just a bit odd.

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Postby Loïc B. » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:03 am

Jason,

Great great great job, thank you very much for sharing this.
I need some time to study your messages, but I'm pretty sure that there are all the answers I was looking for concerning the security units in France in 1943-1944.

Thanks again for your precious help,
Very best regards from France,

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