Anti-Chinese Uprising in Tibet

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phylo_roadking wrote:The US cannot take sanctions, because without a UN resolution these would be illegal. And China as a full member of the Security Council is free to veto.

China is cooperating with the US for its own reasons on Terrorism; like the various Republics of the Former USSR, China is always at risk of Islamic fundamentalism along the Muslim populations of its more westerly provinces.
Sanctions have various forms. Sanctions can be taken against a certain country outside the framework of UN charter. After the bloody Tiananmen Massacre in 1989, western countries including USA took political and economic sanctions against China. However, these sanctions were not effective because China made a good use of overseas Chinese investment.

Yes, China and Russia are cooperating with USA for the purpose of curbing Islamic separatists in their own countries while continuing political and economic rivalry with USA.
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I may be as thick as a brick, but what would be the advantage of a Tibet under the Dalai Lama? Certainly democracy would not ensue. The Tibetans would simply exchange one oppresive rule for another. The Western world would also be stuck with having to financially support yet another state, unable to support itself.

Just a thought.

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It would at least be free of outside Communist rule that has transplanted hundreds of thousands of Chinese "colonists" into Tibet, and shifted hundreds of thousands of Tibetans forcibly out into China, and that has in turn been a base for the last two decades' Communist push into Nepal.

Also, IIRC - Tibet was historically able to support itself. I can't see the Chinese at the moment actively ploughing funding into the country, probably its few natural resources move in the opposite direction.

Yes, I happen to agree that the Tibetans' rule of their own country was among one of the more rigid and religiously-despotic of the world - but it was theirs, Tibet's future was self-determined, and they kept themselves to themselves within their own borders....by the nature of the country and society, even MORE self-contained than usual!

Unless of course you happen to think that the right to self-determination of a nation isn't worth much, and they should be left under the Chinese...
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All American countries, most Pacific island nations, including Australia, N.Z., most every other country once belonged to somebody else. The difference with Tibet is what exactly?

No, I as an invader actually don't believe that self determination is worth much, having helped to take it away from another people. Now if I was on the other side I might actually feel different, as did my family. Me, I intend to hold on to what I have taken.

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The difference is their freedom was taken away in an era when WE had long begun to know better. And know what's right. And so apparentlyhad the Communist Chinese, fighting first against the Japanese and then against a government and ruling system that at THAT time treated the average Chinese citizen ...well, like the Chinese treat the Tibetans today.

But somewhere VERY soon after the end of the Civil War, the Communist Chinese became what they supposedly most hated - imperialists.

I wouldn't even begin to argue with you about Australian affairs, Hans - but look at what you just wrote; it may be right for you, but does that make it "right" per se? And if NOW someone tried to take YOUR self-determination away...what exactly would you do about it? :wink:

ONE side of your argument of course means you'd roll over and take it, for that is the way of the world...
most every other country once belonged to somebody else. The difference...is what exactly?
...but I somehow don't think so :wink:
Me, I intend to hold on to what I have taken.


So can you therefore fault the Tibetans for doing what you would do, trying to hold on to what is theirs? :up:
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Ah, now we have both sides of the argument, which is the way everything should be looked at [in theory] :D :up:

I will now bow out. :wink: and get back to the 17.ID

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IMHO the reason the West will not condemn the actions in Tibet is the fact that most of the foreign held portion of the U.S. national debt is in the hands of the government of the PRC. They try and sell that debt the US will not be able to raise any more money in the international markets and the sucking sound will be much louder than any shots ever fired in Massachussetts.
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John Kilmartin wrote:IMHO the reason the West will not condemn the actions in Tibet is the fact that most of the foreign held portion of the U.S. national debt is in the hands of the government of the PRC. They try and sell that debt the US will not be able to raise any more money in the international markets and the sucking sound will be much louder than any shots ever fired in Massachussetts.
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Bloody suppression of the 1989 Uprising in Tibet was a springboard for Hu Jin-Tao's promotion in Beijing's political arena.

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The article below explains why WESTERN COUNTRIES are keeping silent over Chinese actions in Tibet. Economies of USA and EU is a kind of hostage taken by China. :roll: Even notoriously arrogant Japanese rightists also succumbed to huge Chinese purchasing power two years ago. It seems that the entire world is becoming China's hostage.
Is West toning down criticism of China over Tibet?

LONDON (Reuters) - When it comes to speaking out on Tibet, China has just got too much economic clout for western powers to talk too loudly.

In contrast to western condemnation of a crackdown on demonstrations in Myanmar (Burma) last year, western criticism of China's handling of protests in Tibet have been much more muted, analysts say.

"There's a tendency in Washington to make a China exception'," said John Tkacik, China expert at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative U.S. think tank.

"Things we would whack Burma, Sudan or Uzbekistan for, we want to ignore when China does them," he said.

The United States and other western nations called for restraint after a crackdown on anti-government protests in Tibet in which Chinese authorities said 13 had been killed, while exiled Tibetans put the death toll at around 100.

But expressions of concern have stopped there.

"There's a general unwillingness of governments to speak out on human rights violations involving China," said Corinna-Barbara Francis, a China researcher at human rights group Amnesty International in London.

"A lot has to do with this perception that has emerged of an all-powerful, influential presence of China which I think is exaggerated and goes beyond its economic clout," she said.

With economic growth of 10 percent or more a year since 2003, China now has the world's fourth biggest economy and may be on track to overtake the United States as the world's largest economy within a couple of decades.

It has been doing deals around the world to secure supplies of oil and metals -- notably when state-owned Aluminum Corp of China teamed up with U.S. aluminum producer Alcoa in February to buy a $14 billion stake in mining giant Rio Tinto.

Analysts argue that Tibet, which Chinese troops marched into in 1950, has never enjoyed much international support even when it launched a failed uprising against Chinese rule in 1959, prompting the flight of its spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama.

Then, long before China's economic boom, the west saw Beijing as a potential Cold War ally against the Soviet Union.

And although Tibet's ancient Buddhist culture won sympathy from many individual westerners, its remoteness and poverty gave it no international clout.

But a traditional western "hands off" approach to Tibet has been underscored this time around by the increasing economic interdependence between the United States and China.

CREDIT CRUNCH

The anti-government protests in Tibet come at a particularly delicate time, as Washington battles a credit crunch and a falling dollar, and looks to China to bail it out.

China has about $1.5 trillion of foreign exchange reserves, a large proportion of which are in dollar-denominated bonds. If China stopped buying, the dollar would likely fall sharply.

China's new investment fund pumped $5 billion into Morgan Stanley in December after the U.S. investment bank posted $9.4 billion of losses in subprime mortgages and other assets.

The economic interdependence is not however only one-way. China relies on U.S. and western markets to buy its exports which underpin its healthy trade surplus. The U.S. trade gap with China soared to a record $256 billion in 2007.

This has prompted some to argue that the United States and others could take a tougher stand with China.

Gerrit van der Wees, from the Formosan Association for Public Affairs in Washington, which lobbies for Taiwan's separate identity in international affairs, said the United States felt it had to be more accommodating to China.

"But, in our view, that doesn't mean giving in to what China says and does, which is what the U.S. has been doing a little bit too much over the past year," he added.

China's economic lure, however, seems to be strong, not just for the United States but the European Union.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said on a visit to China in January that Britain was open to Chinese trade and investment and pitched for China's new $200 billion sovereign wealth fund to open an office in London.

French firms sealed $30 billion of deals during President Nicolas Sarkozy's visit to China last November.
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"There's a tendency in Washington to make a China exception'," said John Tkacik, China expert at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative U.S. think tank.

"Things we would whack Burma, Sudan or Uzbekistan for, we want to ignore when China does them," he said.
The answer is simple.

"Money talks!" 8)
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A Tibetan man lynching a Chinese man in a street of Lhasa. The uprising is aggravating ethnic hatred between the Tibetans and the Chinese.

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Human rights activists holding a rally in front of the Chinese embassy in Bangkok yesterday

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http://www.worldpublicopinion.org presented an interesting result of an opinion poll over Chinese actions to the Tibet Uprising.

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The above opinion poll proves that different countries show different responses to Chinese actions in Tibet according to their relationship to China. The people most sensitive to China's brutal surppression of the Tibet uprising is the South Koreans who live nearest to the Chinese heartland and, subsequently, feel the biggest sense of crisis over China's expansion.
Views are more varied among the Asian countries. An overwhelming 84 percent of South Koreans are critical, as is a modest majority of Indonesians (54%, with only 12% endorsing China's position). However among Indians views are nearly evenly divided, with 37 percent siding with critics, 33 percent siding with China and 31 percent not taking a position.
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http://politics.people.com.cn/GB/8198/119128/index.html

China's government-manipulated Renmin Ribao (人民日报) link in the above depicts the Tibetan Uprising as an evil riot.
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Tibetan refugees in Frankfurt urging the world to boycott the Beijing Olympic Games

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The Uighurs have risen this time making the Chinese authorities extremely busy. China will be flooded with demonstrations until the summer Olympic Games.
After Tibet, Uighurs rise up in protest against China

2 Apr 2008, 1532 hrs IST,AFP

BEIJING: China has accused Muslims in the nation's northwest of trying to start a rebellion, following what an exile group said were peaceful protests against injustices under Chinese rule.

The unrest occurred in China's Muslim-majority Xinjiang region last month, after Chinese authorities warned that "terrorists" based there were planning attacks on the Beijing Olympics and had tried to bomb a Beijing-bound plane.

In the latest event, extremist forces tried to incite an uprising in a marketplace in Khotan city on March 23, according to a statement from the local government posted on its website this week.

The Khotan protests have occurred as China has been trying to contain unrest on a much larger scale in neighbouring Tibet, a Buddhist region whose population similarly claim widespread repression under Chinese rule.

"A small number of elements... tried to incite a split, create disturbances in the market place and even trick the masses into an uprising," the statement said.

The statement said the people involved adhered to the "three evil forces," a Chinese expression that refers to separatism, religious extremism and terrorism.

"Our police immediately intervened to prevent this and are dealing with it in accordance with the law," added the statement.

Most of the population in Xinjiang, which borders Afghanistan and central Asia, are Muslim Turkic-speaking Uighurs, many of whom bridle at what they say have been 60 years of repressive communist Chinese rule.

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Rights groups and Uighur exiles have alleged that China is trying to stoke fears about terror attacks in Xinjiang as an excuse to silence dissent and justify tight control there ahead of the Olympics in August.

In the Khotan unrest, an Uighur exile group said hundreds of people took to the streets on two occasions to protest over a local businessman who died in police custody and against a ban on women wearing traditional head scarves.

"The Uighurs began protesting after the killing of Mutallip Hajim, who had died in police custody," Alim Seytoff, head of the US-based World Uighur Congress said.

"The women were also protesting the ban on head scarves." The two protests included up to a total of 1,000 demonstrators, he said, adding that as many as 600 protesters had been detained.

Hajim, a wealthy jade trader and philanthropist, was taken into custody in Khotan in January, according to the US government-backed Radio Free Asia .

But his body was turned over to his family on March 3, with police instructing them to bury him immediately and inform no one of his death, it said.

Local police and the religious affairs bureau in Khotan, also known as Hetian, refused to comment on the protests or Hajim's case.

China initially raised the alarm over the alleged threat from Xinjiang on March 9 when it said a January raid on "terrorists" there had foiled a planned attack directed at the Olympics.

On the same day, it announced a 19-year-old Muslim woman had tried to bomb a Chinese Southern Airlines flight that had taken off from Urumqi, Xinjiang's capital, and was on its way to Beijing.
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