Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny by R.H.S Stolfi

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Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny by R.H.S Stolfi

Postby panzermahn » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:54 pm

Hello folks

Check out this latest work by R.H.S Stolfi. It's a new refreshing perspective provided by this well-respected unorthodox Western historian. Professor Stolfi was one of the few mainstream historian with unorthodox views and he was one of the few Western historians who actually supported Suvorov's icebreaker theses (albeit with different perspective) regarding the cause of WW2

Will be on my 2012 books wishlist

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http://www.amazon.com/Hitler-R-H-S-Stol ... 964&sr=1-1

FInally a new and refreshing research on Hitler rather than from those Richards Evans or Ian Kershaw

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Re: Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny by R.H.S Stolfi

Postby John P. Moore » Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:50 am

Panzermahn - You appear to be recommending a book that you have not even read. When I see comments like this, "Stolfi ranks Hitler's successes from 1919 through 1941 as achievements so astonishing that he must be characterized, along with Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, and Napoleon, as one of Hegel's impossibly rare world historical personalities" and Hitler being charachterized as a "patriot" on Amazon's description of the book, I have to wonder if this is not just some other revisionist book seeking to glorify the most evil man to ever walk the earth.
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Re: Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny by R.H.S Stolfi

Postby Jukka Juutinen » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:13 pm

John, apparently you have fallen in the trap of amateur historians tend to fall. That is the appkication of non-scientific principles in writing history. A historian who is writing text to proper scientific standards does not use it as arena to air his own political agenda, whatever that is. History is not a court of law, as professor Matti Klinge of Helsinki University has stated. Another folly of amateurs and political hacks is the application of hindsight in analysis of history and historical figures. That statement from Dr. Lasse Laaksonen who just wrote the first truly critical appraisal of Finnish general corps from 1918 to 1939. Prof. Stolfi's "mistake" seems to be that he has applied proper scientific principles to his subject. And that is a no-no for some who believe history is only to be debated in the terms of "either you are with us or against us" (a typical bolshvik slogan, btw).

By the way, why is Hitler more "evil" than e.g. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ivan the Terrible, Genghis Khan?
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Re: Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny by R.H.S Stolfi

Postby John P. Moore » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:38 pm

No, I have not fallen into a trap. Even the most "amateur" of historians knows that Hitler caused more human and economic damage and suffering which affected more of the world than any person before or since. If someone wants to attempt to draw favorable attention to Hitler, Feldgrau is not the place to do it.
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Re: Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny by R.H.S Stolfi

Postby Jukka Juutinen » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:00 pm

John, thank you very much for proving my point! Your response was based on exactly those principles that do not belong to scientific historians' toolbox.

Since this is not a political forum, this is my last comment on the subject: if you want to know which has caused most human suffering, the answer is capitalism.
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Re: Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny by R.H.S Stolfi

Postby panzermahn » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:21 pm

John P. Moore wrote:Panzermahn - You appear to be recommending a book that you have not even read. When I see comments like this, "Stolfi ranks Hitler's successes from 1919 through 1941 as achievements so astonishing that he must be characterized, along with Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, and Napoleon, as one of Hegel's impossibly rare world historical personalities" and Hitler being charachterized as a "patriot" on Amazon's description of the book, I have to wonder if this is not just some other revisionist book seeking to glorify the most evil man to ever walk the earth.


John

With all due respect, I had read the excerpts based on the Amazon-provided contents at the link below. I had not found (so far yet until I got the book myself) anything that Professor Stolfi wrote that glorifies Hitler. I had never heard before Professor Stolfi (who is an academic with several history books on WW2 with unorthodox views and interpretations, e.g. Hitler's Panzers East) being labeled as a negationist or apologist so far in his academic career.

I believed Professor Stolfi has a different perspective on interpretating Hitler from a Hegelian philosophical approach. Reading some comments and disregarding it as negationism without understanding the entire context of the book by Professor Stolfi nor even reading the whole book itself is a tad bit unfair, don't you think so? Just because someone has a different viewpoint or perspective nor who does not conform to the established model on approaching the history of a man like Hitler doesn't mean he or she is glorifying and apologizing for whatever crimes the regime or the man has committed.

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Re: Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny by R.H.S Stolfi

Postby phylo_roadking » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:15 am

...doesn't mean he or she is glorifying and apologizing for whatever crimes the regime or the man has committed.


...although YOU can't say this either until you've read the book!
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Re: Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny by R.H.S Stolfi

Postby Jukka Juutinen » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:17 am

Shouldn't EVERYbody refrain from making comments on Stolfi's views before actually reading the book...(I have NOT read the book yet...)
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