What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

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Re: What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

Postby Heerss » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:12 pm

What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

How bout the ethics that help fight for Hitler? would Hitler keep them round in Germany? Hitler was fighting for a Aryan Europe,were would these ethics fit into Hitler's Aryan organzation?
ect: Arbs/Muslims.
Africans.
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Re: What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

Postby German Born » Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:34 pm

I believe he had plans for his "Lebensraum" aimed mostly towards Soviet territory.
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I suspect that many German Americans would have changed...

Postby L. Kafka » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:24 pm

...their tune. :wink:
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Re: What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

Postby nebelwerferXXX » Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:16 am

Hitler have completed already the following:

---The 800-ship German Z-Plan Program and the planned 1,300 Type XXI submarines.
---The planned 36 Panzer divisions with 7,992 Panzer Mark III tanks.
---The 'Gigant' and 'Mammut' assault gliders
---The V-3 ballistic missiles
---The Four-Year Plan
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Re: What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

Postby German Born » Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:53 am

Not to mention the 1,000 year reign.
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Re: What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

Postby Brandenburger7 » Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:38 am

Seems I got an answer after waiting long enough. It was a question that wasn't asked very well.

1. What was Hitler's personal plans after the war?

2. What was Hitler's plans for Germany after the fianl victory?

3. What was Hitler's plans for europe, if he had invaded and succesfully conqured England and the Soviet Union?
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Re: What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

Postby lwd » Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:59 am

Brandenburger7 wrote:...
3. What was Hitler's plans for europe, if he had invaded and succesfully conqured England and the Soviet Union?

The impression I got from Wages of Destruction was that prewar Hitler invisioned a world with three "superpowers": Germany, Britian, and the US. At that point the sturgle would be mostly or totally economic among said "superpowers" although actions against other powers could be military.
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Re: What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

Postby Freebooter » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:58 pm

I wonder if England and France had not have declared on Germany what would have happened? Had Hitler defeated Russia would he have been content? I too have read how he envisioned a treaty and cooperation with England and U.S. to keep the world stable and run things economically. I wonder if his thoughts and plans on the destruction of U.S. and England came only after they would not go along with his plan and he had to fight them?
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Re: What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

Postby ljadw » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:07 am

Freebooter wrote:I wonder if England and France had not have declared on Germany what would have happened? Had Hitler defeated Russia would he have been content? I too have read how he envisioned a treaty and cooperation with England and U.S. to keep the world stable and run things economically. I wonder if his thoughts and plans on the destruction of U.S. and England came only after they would not go along with his plan and he had to fight them?
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IMHO,it is the opposite.It is very audacious to assume that,without a DOW by Britain and France,Hitler would still attack the SU.
Afaics,Hitler never envisioned a treaty and cooperation with the US to keep the world stable and run things economically ;Hitler wanted to change the world which arised from the Treaty of Versailles .
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Re: What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

Postby Freebooter » Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:24 pm

I think his way of thinking, his mind, and his mentality changed as the war progressed. I had the book "The German Generals Talk" or something like that, where they interviewed his originial High Command, etc.. In the beginning they said he did not want to make enemies of England and America. They said that he wanted to sort of partner up with them not to rule the world but to keep it stable and run it. But that is almost the same thing right? I think he got more and more deranged as the stress fo the war continued on him.
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Re: What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

Postby ljadw » Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:12 am

I would not use "the German Generals talk":IMHO,it is a bunch of lies .
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Re: What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

Postby Hans » Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:05 pm

"It is a bunch of lies."
What isn't ????????

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Re: What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

Postby Freebooter » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:51 pm

ljadw,
How do you know "The German Generals Talks" is/was a bunch of lies? I mean I don't know if they were lying or not, but am just curious. Much of what they said was very interesting. Hitler ditched his original high command in time due to the fact that they were too conservative and peaceful for him, or so I heard. If he fired them, then why would they lie for him?
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Re: What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

Postby ljadw » Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:54 pm

Well,"the German Generals talk" is a classic exemple of defeated generals looking for a culprit that could be blamed for the defeat ,the culprit being easily found :Hitler ,while the German successes were,of course,due to the generals :wink:
One exemple :Blumentritt and Rundsstedt claimed that due to the stupid Hitler (you know,the Austrian corporal 8) )the Germans failed to capture the BEF at Dunkirk,while the truth is that the haltorder was given originally by von Rundstedt . :!:
There also are exemples of :scratch my back and I will scratch yours :Lidddell Hart (he has been proved to be an impostor) praised von Thoma as being a gentleman (almost as civilised as a Briton :wink: )and von Thoma answering,of course ,:the German tank officers closely followed the British ideas on armoured warfare,particularly your own(haha) and general Fuller's.
A flatterer gets as answer a lot of flattery .
Liddell Hart has been debunked in "Liddell Hart and the weigth of history " by professor John Mearsheimer .
Whatever,I would be very suspicious on any book about WWII that was published a few years after the war .
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Re: What were Hitler's plans for after the war?

Postby mellenthin » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:15 pm

ljadw wrote:Well,"the German Generals talk" is a classic exemple of defeated generals looking for a culprit that could be blamed for the defeat ,the culprit being easily found :Hitler ,while the German successes were,of course,due to the generals :wink:
One exemple :Blumentritt and Rundsstedt claimed that due to the stupid Hitler (you know,the Austrian corporal 8) )the Germans failed to capture the BEF at Dunkirk,while the truth is that the haltorder was given originally by von Rundstedt . :!:
There also are exemples of :scratch my back and I will scratch yours :Lidddell Hart (he has been
Youproved to be an impostor) praised von Thoma as being a gentleman (almost as civilised as a Briton :wink: )and von Thoma answering,of course ,:the German tank officers closely followed the British ideas on armoured warfare,particularly your own(haha) and general Fuller's.
A flatterer gets as answer a lot of flattery .
Liddell Hart has been debunked in "Liddell Hart and the weigth of history " by professor John Mearsheimer .
Whatever,I would be very suspicious on any book about WWII that was published a few years after the war .


You put into doubt any statement which contradicts the infallibility of Hitler.
That is the origin of your contemptuous statements about german commanders.
Their writings are to be taken very seriously as they are the writings of men who showed their competence on the battlefield.
They do not accuse Hitler of more mistakes than he actually committed.
The Dunkirk halt order was endorsed by Hitler and without that it would not have stood.
Liddell Hart has the merit of his ideas. How much influence he had on germans is debateable but they certainly read him. Calling him an imposter is massively over the top.
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