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In the ranks of W-SS served cca. 600 soldiers from Slovenia (Slovenes and Volksdeutscher from Slovenia). So far I have this list of names:
1.) Bambitsch, Stanislaus (KIA 10.8.1944, Ostfront), born 1923 (Johannistal bei Rann – Celje).,
2.) Bracun, Anton: born 19.5.1886 (Kozje), KIA 23.8.1944 (Brezice).
3.) Divjak, Miha: KIA 9.9.1899 (Blance), KIA 23.8.1944 (Brezice).
4.) Dobrownig, Michael was on 31.5.1941 mobilized into 1./SS-T.Inf.FE-Btl. 3 (Brünn).
5.) Fessl, Albert was on 16.5.1941 mobilized into 3. SS FE-Btl. »Der Führer« (Stralsurd).
6.) Fink, Adolf: KIA 28.8.1944, SE front
7.) Gradischnik, Alois was on 1.5.1941 mobilized into 5. SS-Krft.Fahr.Ers.Abt. (Berlin-Lichterfeld).
8.) Gulda, Herbert was on 30.5.1941 mobilized into 1./SS-T.Inf.FE-Btl. 3 (Brünn).
9.) Harz, Karl was on 9.4.1941 mobiliziran k SS-Ers.Btl. (Wetzelsdorff).
10.) Hosmann, Paul: was on 31.5.'41 mobilized into I./SS-Ers.Btl. 3, Brünn.
11.) Iskra, Matija was forman in KL Mauthausen. He volunteered into W-SS in 1944.
12.) Jamnik, Alois was on 1.5.'41 mobilized into 3. SS FE-Btl. »Der Führer« (Stralsurd).
13.) Janeschitsch, Konrad was borned on 25.2.1914 and he was a member of SS-H.S.L. BerlinLichtentwald, (Ritlergulstraße 19./21).
14.) Janisch, Hermann KIA 24.9.1944
15.) Janusch, Raimund was on 27.9.1941 mobilized into 1. San.Ersätz-Kmp. d. W-SS (Oranienburg).
16.) Jaunik, Franz was on 11.7.1941 mobilized into SS-Dienststelle (F.P.N. 40600-Arys, Ost Preussen).
17.) Jausching, Anton was on 1.5.1941 mobilized into 3. SS FE-Btl. »Der Führer« (F.P.N. 29702).
18.) Juran, Franz: born 1920 (Königsberg/ Rann-Celje), died 1946 in jugoslav POW camp Maribor, Slovenia (in German Marburg).
19.) Kikel, Anton KIA 1.4.1944, Ostfront
20.) Klasinz, Otto was on 23.9.1941 mobilized into San.Ers.Btl. d. W-SS (Oranienburg).
21.) Kokal, Josef volunteered for W-SS. Born on 15.11.1920, lived Gutenstein Nr. 100/Kr. Völkermarkt.
22.) Korenjak, Leopold was on 1.5.1941 mobilized into 3. SS FE-Btl. »Der Führer« (Stralsurd).
23.) Korent, Leopold was on 25.5.1941 mobilized into SS-Inf.FE-Btl. »Ost« (Breslau).
24.) Koritnik, Willi died January 1942 in sovjet POW camp.
25.) Kowatschnitsch, Felix was on 19.4.1941 mobiliziran v 3. SS FE-Btl. »Der Führer« (Stralsund).
26.) Krischan, Franz was on 19.4.1941 mobilized into 3. SS FE-Btl. »Der Führer« (Graz Wetzelsdorf SS-Kaserne).
27.) Kristl, Wladimir Heinrich was a member W-SS from Lower Styria (Untersteiermark in german, in slovene Spodnja Stajerska).
28.) In Marburg Zeitung (from now on Mbt. Ztg.) 74, dated 15.3.1943 was announced obituary of Leustik, Hermanna.
29.) Lupša, Anton was borned 1884 (Pilstajn), KIA 23.8.1944 (Brezice).
30.) Michitsch, Josef died on 29.3.1944 in sovjet POW-camp.


31.) In Mbt. Ztg. 247, dated 2.10.1941 was announced obituary of Molitzer, Rudolfa.
32.) Nuntschitsch, Erich has on 14.12.1941 volunteered to W-SS (born on 13.3.1922).
33.) Pawalitz, Alois was on 30.5.1941 mobilized into SS-Inf.FE-Btl. »Ost« (Breslau).
34.) Petschounik, Emil has on 29.9.1941 volunteered to W-SS. He completed his basic training in W-SS-camp Oranienburg. He was borned on 20.6.1922 (Belgrad).
35.) Pettek, Hans was on 7.10.1941 mobilized into 1/SS-T.Inf.FE-Btl. 3 (Brünn).
36.) Schischek, Martin was on 31.5.1941 mobilized into SS-T.Inf.FE-Btl. 3 (Brünn).
37.) Scholler, Fritz died in July 1945 in jugoslav POW-camp at Celje (in German Cilli).
38.) Schrott, Franz was on 31.5.1941 mobilized into -T.Inf.FE-Btl. 3 (Brünn).
39.) Serach, Franz was on 31.5.1941 mobilized into W-SS = Zeugamt d. W-SS, Oranienburg.
40.) Skvarca, Anton (home-name Suscev iz Sebrelj) was a member of KWB.
41.) Soderschnik, Franz: KIA 10.9.'41 (Nosilevka, Rusia). Born on 14.12.'20 (Gradec), into W-SS 1940.
42.) Sojer, Filipp was on 1.5.1941 mobilized into 3. SS FE-Btl. »Der Führer« (Stralsund).
43.) Tratnik, Ivan was a member of 5. SS-Pz.Div. »Wiking« and recipient of EK II.
44.) Vajdec, Jakob was born on 1.7.1880 (Podlog); KIA 23.8.1944 (Brežice).
45.) Weingerl, Franz was on 1.5.1941 mobilized into 3. SS FE-Btl. »Der Führer« (Stralsurd).
46.) SS-Bewerber Uratnik, Ladislaus was a member of 1. San.Ers.Kmp. (F.P.N. Oranienburg).
47.) SS-Bewerber Maile, Helmut was killed in Feb. 1944 in a battle with guerilla.
48.) Essig, Franz became s SS-Panzerjäger.
49.) SS-Schütze Flakus, Willibald
50.) SS-Schütze Göstl, Ernst was a member of 1. SS-Pz.Div. »LSSAH«. His obituary was announced in Mbg. Ztg. 297./298, on the days 24./25.10.1942.
51.) The death of SS-Schütze Gradischnig, Alois was announced in Mbg. Ztg. 276./278 in the days 3./4.10.1942.
52.) SS-Schütze Harz, Karl was killed on 11.6.1942 (Ostfront).
53.) SS-Grenadier Hofer, Friedrich was killed on 5.2.1945 (Ostfront).
54.) SS-Schütze Korenjat, Leopold was a member of 11./SS-T-Inf.Rgt. 1. He was killed on 15.2.1942 (Ostfront) and was recipient of Infanterie-Sturmabzeihen in bronze.
55.) SS-Schütze Krischan, Franz was on 19.4.'41 mobilized into W-SS = 3. SS-Ers.Btl. »Der Führer«, Graz Wetzelsdorf SS-K.
56.) The death of SS-Schütze Krischan, Stanislaus was announced with dailly post (Tagespost) N. 88 29.5.1943;
57.) The death of SS-Schütze Lederer, Willi was announced in Mbg. Ztg. 283./284 in the days of 8./9.11.'41.
58.) SS-Schütze Lednig, Leopold was a member of San.Ers.Btl. d. W-SS (K.F.K. Oranienburg). Joined W-SS on 18.10.1941.
59.) SS-Schütze Lichtenegger, Hubert was killed on 22.11.1941 (Cholujanka at Moskau). Born on 20.8.'21 (Schönstein). Joined W-SS on 22.5.1941.
60.) SS-Schütze Meier, Hans was killed on May 1943 (Ostfront).
61.) SS-Grenadier Oplotnik, Emil was killed on 3.1.1945 (Ostfront).
62.) SS-Grenadier Pintar, Franz was killed on May 1943.
63.) SS-Schütze Pungerschegg, Hubert passed his basic training in SS-L-Berlin-Lichterfeld. Joined W-SS on 1.11.1941.
64.) SS-Grenadier Reiter, Walter was killed on 26.9.1944 (Ostfront).
65.) SS-Schütze Strmschek, Franz was WIA.
66.) SS-Kanonier Turnschek, Johann was killed 19.12.1944 (Westfront).
67.) SS-Schütze Widowitsch, Johann was born on 8.9.1912, joined W-SS on 23.4.1941. Once WIA.
68.) SS-Schütze Wischnar, Günther was born on 8.4.1927.
69.) SS-Oberschütze Geiger, Josef was on 1.5.1941 mobilized into 4. SS-K.E.K. Berlin-Lichterfeld.
70.) SS-Obergrenadier Malgai, Erich was killed in May 1943.
71.) SS-Oberschütze Orel, Hermann was killed in July 1942 (Ostfront).
72.) Obituary of SS-Sturmmann Badl, Willi was announced in Mbg. Ztg. 75 on 16.5.1943.
73.) SS-Sturmmann Marn, Josef was killed on 6.11.1943 (Ostfront)
74.) SS-Sturmmann Rossmann, Stefan was a member of I./SS-T.Inf.Btl. »Warschau«. On 6.6.1941 was mobilized into 2. SS-Btl., Trup üb. Pl. Debize.
75.) SS-Sturmmann Schrock, Hugo was killed in August 1942.
76.) SS-Rottenführer Pertz, August was killed on 26.1.'44 in west France.
77.) Obituary of SS-Rottenfürer Paulmich, Fritz was announced in Mbg. Ztg. 276 on 4.5.1943.
78.) SS-Rottenführer Kadunz, Stanislaus was killed on 10.8.1944 (Ostfront).
79.) Obituary of SS-desetnika Mader, Karl was announced in Mbg. Ztg. 343 on 9.12.1942.
80.) Franc Stanek was born on 13.9.1919 in Mele at Celje. After the german occupation 1941 he had volunteered to W-SS. He became SS-Scharführer. He participated in battle of Stalingrad, where he was wounded. Probably he was the most decorated Slovene in W-SS (EK I. and II., Nahkampfspange I. Klasse, Infanterie-Abzeihen in silver, medal for russian campain and silver Verwundetenabzeihen).
81.) SS-Oberscharführer Hupfauf, Johann was a detective in civil life. His obituary was announced in Mbg. Ztg. 223 on 11.8.1942.
82.) SS-Oberscharführer Waldorf, Hubert was killed in March 1945 (Ostfront).
83.) Pg. Seda, Josef was probably the hightest ranking jugoslav citizen from Slovenia (he was German), because he had a rank of SS-Hauptsturmführer and was a member (Parteigenosse – Pg.) of NSDAP. His death was announced with dailly post (Tagespost) Nr. 274 on 4.10.1942, his obituary was announced in Mbg. Ztg. on 5.10.1942.

Slovenes were also know as Untersteierer.

If you have some other names of Slovenes in W-SS, please lett me know.

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Zivjo Klemen,

Zanimiva lista. V isti knjigi, od koder si verjetno dobil podatke o Francu Staneku (vkljucuje tudi njegovo sliko), avtor omenja tudi nekega Kamnicana, ki naj bi bil pripadnik-SS v KZL Dachau. Si preprican za Antona Skvarco, da je bil pri SS-kraskih lovcih? :)

Kakorkoli ze, kontaktiraj me kdaj pozneje, pa bova dodala se kaksno dodatno ime gor na tvojo listo.

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There has been cases when Slovenes volunteered to serve in German Army even before mobilization was officially declared in summer 1942. There were even some individulas which also voluntered in Wehrmacht after mobilization was already declared but there are few records about them. There weren't many of them though. We should also underlined that all this war years Germans made big efforts to recruiting young men into Waffen SS*.

First Slovenian volunteers volunteered in Wehrmacht in 1939, immediately after World War II broke up.1 They were mainly individuals, who were either Nazi sympathizers or were they simply avanturists, who wanted to see some adventures.

Special members of Kulturbund also secretly began to recruit volunteers among Germans living in Slovenia. They simply send leaflets by mail with paroles, that all who considered themselves Germans should signed as volunteers in German Army. High number of Slovenian volunteers from Lower Stir volunteered in German Army in Summer 1940. At that time many Germans escaped in Reich ( Austria ) from Yugoslavia in order to avoid persecution by the Yugoslav authorities because of their Nazi operating. They were conscripted or joined in so called '' Landsmannschaft der Untersteirer '' which was stationed in Graz. Leaders of Kulturbund decided that it would be great to train them in SA Abteilungs or in German Army. At the appropriate moment, they would be able to form from all this volunteers a Lower Styria Legion, which could be used by occupation of Lower Styria, when Germany would attack Yugoslavia. Of course all plans about this legion were top secret. The very first idea was to train all this volunteers in some SS unit and would act than as SS unit by invasion on Yugoslavia. This idea wasn't accepted because SS refused them and they were trained so in regular army units. For training of Slovenian volunteers in German Army was responsible mainly Werner Stiger from Celje. From his correspondent letters we know that he sent till the end of July 1940 more than 100 Volksdeutschers from Slovenia in Military Training Regiment for special operations '' Brandenburg ''.

There were also some problems. Wehrmacht started to invite this men for two years in Africa Expeditionary Corps. While they expected an attack on Yugoslavia soon, they protests against such incorporating of Slovenian volunteers in expeditionary corps.

On the other hand Germans already trained young men in Slovenia for serving in special SA units ( Volksdeutsche Mannschaft ). They also send in Germany for extra six week training chosen leaders of youth groups of Kulturbund. Again they were some troubles. This men crossed Yugoslav border in big numbers and were send in Graz where their qualification was checked. From there they were send in military barracks in Breslau and from there in other places all over Germany. For example one group of 80 men was in Berlin and from there several days after back to Breslau. When this men crossed Yugoslav-German border they were guaranteed that they will return back in six weeks, but now it happened that after four weeks they were still in civilian clothes and there training didn't begin yet. Stiger was afraid that this will left some bad influences on this young leader who knew under name The Third Reich all the best.

Training of Slovenian Volksdeutschers in German Army also wasn't quite approved by the authorities who didn't want any problems with Yugoslav government. Heinrich Himmler approved their training while Herman Göring and German Foreign Ministry opposed to that, because they didn't want any complications with Royal Yugoslav government in Belgrade. Nevertheless more than 100 Slovenian volunteers from Lower Styria entered in Wehrmacht. Landsmannschaft der Untersteirer says in their documents that they did send for Christmas 1940 packages to about 500 volunteers from Lower Styria which were already in Wehrmacht.

Similar number we get if we added information about Slovenian volunteers, which were collected by the Office for collecting historical documents by the Steirischer Heimatsbund in Maribor. This office send on 15 November 1941 to all mayors in Lower Styria a formula in which they had to wrote also number of volunteers in german Army from their county. Most of this forms was send back till the end of 1941 and others at the beginning of 1942 when mobilization wasn't carry out yet. In most forms mayors or local group leaders of the Steirischer Heimatbund stated that they don't have any volunteer, in some cases they wrote one to five volunteers, very few counties stated they had ten or even more volunteers. The biggest number had Maribor, which had 264 volunteers, followed by Apace county with 31 volunteers, Celje and Radlje ( Marenberg) had 15 volunteers each and in Sentilj, Slovenske Konjice and Zalec 10 volunteers each. Mayors named altogether 487 volunteers. Of course their number was higher because not all counties send this formular back, for instance there are missing replies from following counties, where also lived a lot Germans: Slivnica, Fram, Ribnica, Smartno na Pohorju, Ruse, Pragersko, Ptuj...etc. Especially Ptuj were a lived a lot of Germans and where were also very strong German organizations ( Kulturbund), which had many members, it had to bee more than 10 volunteers.

Also report from Slovenska Bistrica is very doubtful stated that they had not a single volunteer although this city also had very numerous Kulturbund organisation. In Celje qwe have information only for one local group although there were four etc...

If we added to number 487 also volunteers from other counties for which we don't have information, than we can assume that at the end of 1941 served in Wehrmacht more than 500 volunteers from Lower Styria.

Office for collecting historical documents did save also information about volunteers killed in action. Unfortunately we have just information till Spring 1944. Fallen soldiers are grouped by local groups or by counties of Steirischer Heimatsbund. By KIA soldier they usually wrote his name, surname, military branch, local group of Steirischer Heimatsbund in which he was born, birthplace and date and place where he was killed or in some places was stated just battlefield ( for example Ostfront). Considering that Slovenian soldiers mobilized in Wehrmacht in July 1942, were send first on training and after that in November on front, we can assume that all KIA soldier which were killed in action by this date are considered volunteers in Wehrmacht. Till the end of October 1942 were killed 122 volunteers from Lower Styria in action. In 1940 two men were killed, in 1941 31 men and in 1942 till th end of October 89 men. Most soldiers which were killed in action were from Maribor city county, from which also highest number of volunteers came-46. For other parts statistics shows this: Maribor-countryside:18 men, Celje-21 men, Ljutomer-16 men, Ptuj-11 men, Brezice-6 men and Trbovlje-4 men.

At the end of this chapter we can assume that before first Slovenian mobilized soldiers were send on front, about 122 Slovenian volunteers from Lower Styria were killed in action. This volunteers were mostly Germans or Volksdeutschers who gained later rd identity cards of Steirischer Heimatsbund and permanent German citizenship.

Central Slovenia was incorporated into the German Reich- Carinthia( Kärnten) and Upper Carniola ( Oberkrain) joining Carinthia Province, Lower Styria ( Untersteiermark) joining Styria. On 27 December 1942 gauleiter Dr Friedrich Rainer arrived from Klagenfurt (slo. Celovec) to Kranj, the Upper Carniola.



For this occasion the city was heavily guarded and decorated with German flags and symbols. Gauleiter Dr Friedrich Rainer proclaimed that the Upper Carniola is now ''appeased'' and he also confered to all citizens of Upper Carniola a German citizenship.
But Germans devided people into three groups:
-citizens of Germany ( Deutsche Staatangehörige)
- citizens of Germany with the citizenship till cancel ( Deutsche Staatangehörige auf Wiederruf)
- citizens under German protection ( Schutzangehörige)
Introduction in German military service was done even before, in spring 1942 when German authorities in the Upper Carniola and Lower Styria formed RAD- Reichsarbeitsdienst for all liable men and girls. All this men and girls had to spend about half of year in this service learning there military and other skills and etc. Why did they go in German Army? Why they didn't join partisans? This question has a very simple answer. During the period 1941-1943 there weren't any partisans in the Upper Carniola and Lower Styria. Well, in the Upper Carniola there were some weak partisan units demoralized by the heavy losses they suffered during the last German anti-partisan offensives. To get in contact with them, was in that time almost ''mission impossible''. In the Lower Styria situation was even worse. After Pohorski Battalion (69 men and women) was destroyed in January 1943, there were no partisan units in the Lower Styria, not until January 1944 when 14th Slovenian Partisan Division arrived in the Lower Styria. There were also German reprisals for deserters-those who deserted and were captured were immediately courtmartialed and beheaded. Their families were shot as hostages, put in prisons, concentration camps or deported in Germany in labour camps. Of course there were also some men who joined voluntary to fight against communism, but those were rare.

The Upper Carniola:
At first were called for conscription years 1923 and 1924 which were already on 11 January 1943 called in RAD or Wehrmacht. They were followed by years 1920, 1921, 1922 and 1925. Altogether Germans managed to mobilize in the Upper Carniola about 9000 men. Later in 1944 when desertions appeared, gauleiter Dr Friedrich Rainer suggested not to call anymore Slovenes from the Upper Carniola into German Army. All new recruits were rather directed into the Upper Carniola Home Defence Force.

In July 1942 was year 1923 first called into German Army, while year 1924 was send to Reichsarbeitsdiesnt- RAD. In October 1942 were called in German Army or RAD most of men of years 1919, 1920, 1921, 1922, while the rest was called in December the same year. In January 1943 was called in RAD and later in Wehrmacht year 1925. In autumn 1943 same happened also to year 1926. In the first half of 1944 Germans mobilized men, born in year 1927 and in January 1945 year 1928, but very few men responded to this call. Altogether Germans managed to mobilize in Lower Styria about 70.000 men. This mean that in German Army served more or less 80.000 Slovenian soldiers from the Upper Carniola, Lower Styria and Kärnten. Here should I add also Slovenes ( members of Slovenian minority in Austria) from Austrian Province Kärnten, which participated in World War II from its beginning- from 1 September 1939.
Here should I add also Slovenes ( members of Slovenian minority in Austria) from Austrian Province Kärnten, which participated in World War II from its beginning- from 1 September 1939.

What kind of destiny did this men have?
Statistic shows that 24.500 men were killed and 10.500 were captured. About 7000 men returned home crippled without a leg, hand... or with other heavy injuries. And many of them spend years and years in Soviet POW's camps ( some even nine years) as prisoners of war or better to say as cheap labour slaves. Many of them returned home after spending many years in POW's camps in Siberia and in other parts of Asia. But even when they arrived on Yugoslavian border many ( all those who were members of Waffen SS or decorated on East Front) were killed. At home they were despised by the new, communits authorities. They couldn't get a job or pension for war invalids, they were without any health insurance. To make things more ironic, almost all this men had to serve military service again, ( for one or two years) with just a small difference- this time in the new Yugoslav Army. So many of them spent in military suits about five years or even more.
Where did they fight?
Slovenes in Wehrmacht fought all over the Europe and even Africa. They were in Italy, Albania, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, France + Channel Islands, Holland, Belgia, Germany, Estonia, Danmark, Norway (Petsamo and Kirkenes area), Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Finland ( Lapland), Lithuania and few of them even fought in Africa.

Their status even till today wasn't solved and they didn't get any compensation for their lost childhood. We should't forget that many of them were 17, 18, 19 and even 16 years old when they had to enlist in the German Army and suffered the horror of the war and the East Front. Some even stayed for ever in foreign countries like Germany and never returned back to their homes and family. Others never returned. They are burried all over the Europe, in each village, in each town which was conquered by the Wehrmacht. We also shouldn't forget that they were the ,,biggest Slovenian Army'' in World War II. Neither Slovenian partisans neither Slovenian anti-communist forces managed to assemble so many men under their command.
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Dejan,
thanks for your "report-paper" on Slovenes.

Are you of Slovenian origin?

But I have information, that the first Slovenes or Germans from Slovenia volunteered in WH or W-SS in 1938, because the first Slovene in German army died in first battles with Poles in 1939. This information I found in archive of Museum of national liberation in Maribor in files of Steierische Heimbund.

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Pozdravljen soimenjak in sonarodnjak, Klemen L.

Ce zelis, ti lahko poslem izsek iz moje letošnje raziskovalne naloge "Elita tretjega rajha", ki govori o Waffen-SS. V njej je tudi poglavje o Slovencih v W-SS in KL Mauthausen na Ljubelju.

Hodim v 4. letnik Gim. Šentvid v Ljubljani; kakšna je tvoja lokacija?

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Zivjo Klemen, :D
Pozdravljen soimenjak in sonarodnjak, Klemen L.
Pozdrav tudi tebi. :wink:
Ce zelis, ti lahko poslem izsek iz moje letošnje raziskovalne naloge "Elita tretjega rajha", ki govori o Waffen-SS. V njej je tudi poglavje o Slovencih v W-SS in KL Mauthausen na Ljubelju.
Ti kar pogumno. Če je možno mi pošlji izsek kar na privatno pošto na tem boardu, pa bova šla malo skozi. Nekaj imen slovenskih esesovcev poznam. Pravzprav, ne vem če že veš, ampak pred kratkim (2002) so med gradnjo neke ceste izkopali posmrtne ostanke nekega neznanega pripadnika 31. SS-divizije "32. Januar" v pokrajini Brandeburg, pri katerem so našli medaljon Spomin iz Brezij.:D

Kako to, da delate take raziskovalne naloge? Nisem vedel, da so v naših šolah celo bili sposobni napraviti tak korak naprej, da dijakom omogočijo, da celo napravijo kakšno raziskovalno nalogo in tukaj mislim, res pravo raziskovalno. V mojih gimnazijskih časih je bilo predvsem pomembno, da je bila raziskovalna naloga karseda kratka (običajno so vsi prepisovali iz ostalih knjig:wink: ) ali pa spl,oh nismo dobili nobenih, in smo se samo morali nagudlati odebeljen tisk iz tiste bedaste (polno napak vsebujoče) knjige in to je bilo to.
Hodim v 4. letnik Gim. Šentvid v Ljubljani
Gimnazija na Prušnikovi ulici ali Škofijska?

Moji gimnazijski dnevi so že zdavnaj končani, he, he...
kakšna je tvoja lokacija?
Južno od Ljubljane.

Ajd', se še kaj slišimo,

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OK, pošljem.
Celotna raz.nal. naloga ima 300 strani (samo da se malo pohvalim). Hodim na Prušnikovo.

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Excellent post, Dejan.
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Ne Kocjo,

Dejan je cetnik - pocetnik, mada imam rodbinu u Capo-D'Istria & Fuime, buduca zena mi je Volksdoicher sa Urala, a sadasnja nesreca Hrvatsko-slovackog porekla.

Javi se ako te sto jos zanima.
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Wasn't there a Slovene Waffen-SS KC holder :?:
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Marko,
I don't know any Slovene members of W-SS, decorated with RK.

You must be thinking of WH-member Oberwachtmeister Hugo Primozic of Stug.Abt.667, who was StuG-ace. He got his RK mit Eichenlaub on 28. January 1943 as Zugführer in 2./StuG.Abt.667. He wasn't proud to be Slovene, but he was claiming, that he was German.

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Zivjo Klemen and Marko,

I believe Marko was having in mind SS-Gruppenführer und Generalleutnant der Polizei Dr. Odilo Lotario Globocnik, who was a son of a Slovene father, a retired Austro-Hungarian officer, whose ancestors originated from Trzic (Neumarktl) and a German mother from Banat, Serbia. No, Globocnik never got Ritterkreuz, but was awarded with some other cliche decorations like Deutsches Kreuz in Silber und Gold, EK II and Goldenes Parteiabzeichen.

Nonetheless five Slovenes (plus one dubious), all serving in Wehrmacht, had received Ritterkreuz during 1941-1945 - one from Germany, two from Carinthia, one from Styria and one from Krain. In addition to this four "Slovenes" had attained the rank of general in the German Armed Forces in 1939-1945, three in Wehrmacht and one in Waffen-SS.

Primozic's father emmigrated in Germany before World War I, and it is no a public secret that Slovene emmigrants in Germany before the war quickly assimilated in the German society by germanizing their surnames.
This is a bit off topic, but my father actually has some relatives living near Minden, Germany, who emmigrated there in 1910. My late grandmother (born 1919), for example, first saw her cousin (a daughter of her uncle) in 1995, when they were both seventy-six years old. They could hardly communicate with each other.

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Nope, neither Primozic nor Globocnik!
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I didn't mentioned Globocnik, because he wasn't a member of W-SS, but Allgemeine-SS, just KlemenL. said.

KlemenL, rekel si:
In addition to this four "Slovenes" had attained the rank of general in the German Armed Forces in 1939-1945, three in Wehrmacht and one in Waffen-SS.
A si s tem mislil Globocnika ali kaksnega drugega?

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I didn't mentioned Globocnik, because he wasn't a member of W-SS, but Allgemeine-SS, just like KlemenL. said.

KlemenL, rekel si:
In addition to this four "Slovenes" had attained the rank of general in the German Armed Forces in 1939-1945, three in Wehrmacht and one in Waffen-SS.
A si s tem mislil Globocnika ali kaksnega drugega?

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