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Zivjo Klemen (and Marko),

Klemen, na zalost mi bos moral oprostiti nekaj dnevno odsotnost z internat in nezmoznost, da odgovorim na tvoje vprasanje. Kot sem ze v nekaterih svojih prejsnih odgovorih poudaril, sem trenutno dokaj zaposlen z raznimi "house and work chores", pa me zadnje par dni internet ni kaj dosti mikal.
Dejstvo, da sem danes naletel na tvoje sporocilo, da imas predstavitev svoje naloge ze jutri, me je nekak preprical, da si verjetno zelis, da ti posljem "corrigo errata" cimprej, kajne?

First of all, and I hope you don't mind me doing this, I'm going to answer at some of your previous petty sub-questions and to some other questions of yours which I have found in other sections of this board.
Ta podatek sem dobil v Ferencevi knjigi "Satan, njegovo delo in smrt" na str. 130, 132, 135,...
Natanko vem od kod si dobil ta podatek, Klemen, hehe :D

Kar te sprašujem tukaj je, če si 100% prepričan, ali je ta podatek pravilen ali ne? Kolikor se jaz spomnim je ta podatek pricurljal iz pricevanje nekega ocividca oz. ocevidke dogodka na Sebreljah.
Marko or Klemen, do you guys know the origin of his parents?
I guess Marko has probably already told you the full story of Simon Grascher, but I believe, speaking this here by heart without any documents in front of me, his mother was a Carinthian Slovene, while father was either a Russian or a German soldier from WWI.
That's the one. I'm just a bit curious where did you get his name, maybe on TRF. Anyway I'll post the original info with some additions shortly. BTW I had no luck with Mlinar.
I have first found his name in a book about Waffen-SS Ritterkreuz Traegers, and seeing that he was from Temenica in Carinthia of course got me interested. I have then asked a friend of mine from Sentivda na Glini (:D) and he has cheched for some additional information about this man for me. This would pretty much be the whole story.

Sorry, it is not Andreas Mlinar, but STEFAN MLINAR. He was a Gebirgsjaeger Officer, born in Judenburg, Austria. Again sorry for the mistake.
:?: :?: :?:
Or maybe not... he,he :wink: I guess I automatically assumed you must be a Slovene being interested in Slovene Military History of World War II. Besides that your first name doesn't sound to me German, Italian or French at all, hehe :D
Spanish in SS-Karswehr
The SS-Karstwehr Battalion, later expanded into the 24th Waffen Gebirgs Division "Karstjäger" was a very multi-national unit, which included among its ranks Germans, Austrians, Italians, Croats, Spaniards, Slovenes, Hungarian, Romanian and Polish Volksdeutscher, including one elderly Bosnian Mohammedaner. I believe there was also a small group of Ukranians, though I am not one hundert percent sure about this.

After disbandement of the Spanish Blue Division hundreds of Spanish soldiers from this division and Spain were still pouring to France willing to fight for the Third Reich. The first such recruits were at first attached to Wehrmacht units such as the 357th Mountain Division and 3rd Gebirgs Division. Two training companies were set up at Stablack Training camp and were assigned to anti-partisan duties in Yugoslavia in August
1944, establishing their headquarters in Zalec, west of Celje. They were attached to 8th Company, 2nd Battalion 3rd Regiment Brandenburg Division which at the time was on anti-partisan duties in Italy. They took part in operations in Rome, Carsoli, Turni, Bevagna and at Cita da Castello before being withdrawn to France. A small contingent of these Spanish volunteers was left behind and was eventually attached to 24th Waffen Gebirgs Division "Karstjäger". There are also reports about the 102nd Spanish Waffen-SS Volunteer Company briefly fighting against the Tito's partisans in Slovenia and Croatia during the summer of 1944 and another
Spanish volunteer unit under Lieutenant Ortiz figthing at Triest in 1945.
Steirischer Armbund
I don't know if this could be of some help to you, but some years ago while I was till playing with an idea to renovate my site I made some graphics for the new site and one of them also include the green-white armband of the Wehrmannschaft, which I believe includes the sign of a Steirischer Lion. Find someone on this board who has some free space on one of those free web servers, and I'll send him the image so that he can then displaced it on this board. I think I still have the image on my PC. I also have some sign of the Steirischer Heimatbund on some of the documemts, but I am afraid I don't have a scanner to scann them.

So they didn't allow you to photocopy or scann any material in the archive? Not even if you would pay for this? :-D 8)

Now here are some of the long expected comments or updates about your research work. I am afraid that due to lack of time and hurry you'll not find them much revolutionary, but nonetheless I hope you will find helpful to your research.
Novembra 1943 je Himmler poslal v Slovenijo SS-jurišno brigado »RF-SS«, da se tu preoblikuje v 16.-SS tankovsko-grenadirsko divizijo »RF-SS«. Ta novo nastala divizija je bila nastanjena na območju Ljubljane, Škofje Loke in Kamnika. Preoblikovanje je trajalo do februarja 1944, ko je bila poslana na italijansko bojišče.
I believe that some of the elements of the 16.-SS Panzergrenadier Division »RF-SS« also took part in some harsh fighting at Wersee (Verzej) near Mura River in early 1945, when the Soviet 57th Army appeared in the Prekmurje Province.
KG Hahn
Kampgruppe "Hahn" was named after Werner Hahn, the CO of the 24th Karstjäger. Whenever possible record a full name of a German commanding officer. I hate when the author writes down just his surname, so whenever you name a Kampfgruppe try to put in the brackets also the rank and a full name of the commanding officer of that battle group.
1. SS-posebni polk »Väreger«
The Commanding Officer of the 2,500 strong 1st SS-Regiment Wärager was SS-Standarterführer Mikhail Alexandrovich Semenov, born in St. Petersburg in 1894 and died in Sao Paulo, Brazil in 1965. The regiment had three battalions made up of mostly ex-Soviet POWs and Russian emmigrants from Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Semenov for example was one of them. The Regiment surrendered to the 5th British Corps of the 8th Army in the area of Klagenfurt (Celovec) on 9-15 May 1945.
nastanjen v Slovenski Bistrici, divizija pa je bila razmeščena na južni strani Pohorja. Sodelovala je v ofenzivi na Gorenjskem in severnem Primorskem. Proti koncu vojne se je na slovenskem ozemlju bojevala proti Rdeči armadi vzhodno od Radgone. Divizija se je predala dne 13.5.1945 pri Borovljah in Apačah na Koroškem 14. diviziji JA.
The main bulk of the 14th (Ukranian) Waffen-SS Grenadier Division "Gallizien" including its headquarters did not surrender at Ferlach (Borovlje), but to the British at a large field near Tamsweg in Austria. The bulk of the dispersed Ukranian units were rallied at three different points, at the city of Spittal upon the Drava River, at Feldkirchen and at Klagenfurt. Only some men from the Training and Reserve Regiment of the 14th Waffen-SS Grenadier Division "Gallizien" were captured by the partisans when this unit was being ordered to retreat from south of Drava to avoid the contact with the Yugoslavs. "In some cases this was accomplished with the utmost difficulty, especially for those units which were posted south of Drava. Tito's forces who had crossed into Austria proper, suprised and ambushed the retreating soldiers, frequently inflicting heavy casualties and capturing prisoners. Over 80 men were taken from the 2nd Battalion alone. Forced to fight their way through, in the fierce battles that ensued the Regiment was broken into small units which made their way independently towards the Allied lines." So no surrender of the Division at Ferlach.
Slednja je na našem ozemlju zakrivila zločin proti človeštvu.
Bullocks, larifari.... :wink: Check George Lepre's book: "Himmler's Bosnian Division". Yes, this is the same George who is running this sub-section of this forum. :D

The 7th SS-Volunteer Mountain Division "Prinz Eugen" probably committed far serious crimes against humanity than the "Handschar".
Celotni opisani dogodek sem prepisal z namenom, da ni nobenih nejasnosti glede tega primera. Kot avtor piše, sta se oba SS-vojaka predala, zato sta spadala pod kategorija vojnih ujetnikov. Čeprav sta se predala in sta sodelovala (zaslišanje), so ju usmrtili v nasprotju z vojnim zakonom. Prebegli pripadniki W-SS pa so doživeli drugačen odnos. Najprej so jih tudi razorožili in jih poslali v delavske enote. Če so že prej ali takrat pokazali dober odnos do NOG, so jim vrnili orožje in jih razporedili v enote NOV .
Yes, I have read about this "incident". Have you ever considered of trying to find out the names of those two executed Danish Waffen-SS Non-Commmisioned Officers? :D :D
Vse se je začelo, ko je poveljnik topniške baterije – voda Sepp Öll zgodaj januarja 1945 poiskal zvezo s Lackovim odredom in izrazil željo za prebeg k odporniškim enotam. Ti so mu naročili, naj dezertira s celotno enoto in vso opremo. Tako je 22.1.1945 55 pripadnikov (vsi so bili sudetski Volksdeutscherji) 5. baterije 2. SS-polka bivše 14. SS-divizije
God is my witness that I have checked my book about the 14th SS-Galizian Division up and down,and yet I could not find not a single letter about this mass desertion you are talking here. Are you sure it was from the 14th SS-Division and not the 16th SS-Division? I don't think there were that much of Sudeten Germans in the Galician SS-Division.
organiziranjem SS-divizije »Adriatisches Küstenland«
That a very interesting information and to be honest it is the first time I hear the name of a planned Slovenian SS-Division. I guess you could these information of yours from Kociper's memoars, haven't you? Haven't read that book yet, gotta to confess that. :wink: :(
NEKATERI PRIPADNIKI W-SS IZ SPODNJE ŠTAJERSKE
Adding some of my candidates to this list of yours:

* SS-Schütze GUSTAV FESTIN, born on 21.02.1923 in Seneldt (Zerjavci), KIA on 01.04.1942 at Chani (Russia); Joined the Waffen-SS before April 1941

* SS-Oberschütze JOHANN KOLEDNIK, born on 12.08.1920 in Gruschkonetz, KIA on 15.11.1943 at H.V.Pl.d.Geb.Sanko 1/100 Luschnia (Albania?)

* SS-Sturmmann JOHANN KOLEDNIK, born 15.05.1921 in Leonhard, KIA on 12.09.1943 at Bereka (Russia)

* SS-Schütze FRITZ DWORSCHEGG, born on 18.10.1922 in Cilli (Celje), KIA on 20.04.1942 at Omytschkino (Russia)

* SS-Schütze ERNST HOINIGG, born on 30.12.1925 in Cilli, KIA on 07.02.1945 near Iliomow 23km sdl.Rosenberg/Slow. (Slovakia)

* SS-Sturmmann WILHELM MARTINTSCHITSCH, born on 20.05.1923 in Gottschee (Kocevje), KIA on 27.07.1944 near Marigny (France)

* SS-Sturmann PETER SKRABAN, born on 28.06.1922 in Oberradkersburg, KIA on 31.12.1944 at Altsohl

* SS-Sturmann JOHANN KOLETNIK, born on 15.01.1921 in Leonhard, 12.09.1943 at Bereka-Charkow (Russia)

* SS-Schütze FELIX NEDELKO, born on 09.09.1922 in Leonhard, KIA on 04.08.1943 at Lw.Ortslaz. II Simferopol (Russia)

* SS-Oberschütze AUGUST KRAMBERGER, born on 02.08.1925 in Leonhard, KIA on 01.11.1944 at Seglini.

* SS-Schütze OTTO KRISCHANITSCH, born on 10.07.1922 in Hof, KIA on 23.08.1942 at H.V.Pl. in Kissljakoff (Russia)

* SS-Schütze SIMON SMRETSCHNIG, born on 23.11.1910 in Laibach, KIA on 26.07.1941 at Smolensk (Russia)

* SS-Schütze FRANZ SCHALAMUN, born on 01.01.1923 in Pettau/M., KIA on 22.10.1941 at Bjeljajewschtschina (Russia); Joined the Waffen-SS before April 1941

* SS-Unterscharführer OTTO LEITINGER, born on 22.06.1917 in Hohenmauthen, KIA on 21.02.1945 at Loebschütz Ostsud. (Germany?);
Joined the Waffen-SS before April 1941

* SS-Oberschütze FRANZ KOSCHEL, born on 7.08.1920 in Domschale, KIA on 04.02.1945 about 1km südwestl.Polowka (Russia)

* SS-Schütze KARL PERUSCH, born on 9.10.1917 in Hohenmauthen, KIA on 2.03.1945 at Nebljusi, Kroatien, sw. (Croatia

* SS-Unterscharführer OTTO KOS, born on 25.06.1919 in Hohenmauthen, KIA on 18.08.1944 at Lipka

* SS-Schütze SPIRIDION KAUTSCHITSCH, born on 02.11.1923 in Krainburg, KIA on 11.08.1943 near Gigenac (France)

* SS-Sturmann AUGUST MESSARITSCH, born on 06.04.1919 in Cilli, KIA on 13.10.1944 at Petsamo (Finland)

* SS-Oberschütze GOTTFRIED SLAPNIK, born on 03.09.1922 in Cilli, KIA on 04.12.1943 at Res.Laz. I Lemberg Univ.Klinik Abt. II (Poland)

* SS-Rottenführer JOHANN SELENKO, born on 31.05.1919 in Cilli, KIA on 29.08.1943 at Kowalewka (Russia)

* SS-Oberschütze KARL ANTON GFÖRER, born on 06.09.1922 in Cilli, KIA on 08.09.1941 at Lizabucht, Eismeerfront (Finland/Russia); Probably joined the Waffen-SS before April 1941

* SS-Rottenführer VIKTOR WOUTSCHKO, born on 27.02.1920 in Cilli, KIA on 25.02.1945, place unknown

* SS-Unterscharführer ROBERT JOHANN FERDINAND KOLLARITSCH, born on 17.05.1908 in Zirknitz (Cerknica), KIA on 24.05.1944 at Dorchuca, Lublin (Poland)

* SS-Rottenführer IVO PIPP, born on 03.01.1923 in Laibach, KIA on 1.03.1945 on the Straße Rakek-Loitzsch (Slovenia)

* SS-Schütze ALOIS REPITSCH, born on 25.05.1920 in Laibach, KIA on 12.04.1944 in Laibach (Slovenia)

* SS-Schütze JOHANN KRISCHAN, born in 28.08.1922 in Unterhenndorf, KIA on 06.09.1943 near Ustilug Wolhynien (Ukraine)

* SS-Rottenführer ANDRAS TISCHITSCH, born on 10.10.1921 in Luttenberg, KIA on 17.03.1944 at Kiestinki, Karel. (Finland)

* SS-Rottenführer KARL PENTEKER, born on 18.12.1905 in Pettau, KIA on 03.1945 at Marko (unknown)

* SS-Sturmann LUDWIG JUST, born on 13.08.1925 in Pettau, KIA on 26.03.1944 near Kowel (Russia)

* SS-Sturmann KARL HERBST, born on 28.08.1918 in St. Leonhard, KIA on 28.03.1942 near Nowgorod (Russia)

Saj je Schütze esesovski cin, kajne?

OK, you have plenty of info for now. My hands are getting hurting me from this constant writing. :D

I should also have in my archive something about one Slovene SS-Policeman who served in one of the SS Polizei regiments in Slovenia in 1943-1945, so if you're interested, let me know, and I will check for that info tomorrow or through the weekend.

BTW: Your relative, hehe? :D
* Gefreiter IGOR KOTZIANTSCHITSCH, born on 01.05.1922 in Laibach, KIA on 26.08.1944 at Orsova (Romania)

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Mislim, da ni treba kaj vec povedat'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My answers to yours:
1.) "Kar te sprašujem tukaj je, če si 100% prepričan, ali je ta podatek pravilen ali ne? Kolikor se jaz spomnim je ta podatek pricurljal iz pricevanje nekega ocividca oz. ocevidke dogodka na Sebreljah."

You are right. There was an eye-witness, who recognized him.

2.) About Grascher was Marko very helpfull (thanks again Marko). He sent me some data about him.

3.) Regarding Steirische Heimatbunda go to your's PM section.

4.) I don't know there I had read it, but there was a some Russian officers of Varjagov, who were talking to Slovene partisan's about unit's desertation to NOV.

5.)
Bullocks, larifari.... Check George Lepre's book: "Himmler's Bosnian Division". Yes, this is the same George who is running this sub-section of this forum.
My mentor dr. Ferenc said to me, that the Hanschar's commited some war crimes in Prekmurje. They "pushed" people in caves and then throuw hand grenades on them. I read Lepre's book about 4 times and as you said, I did't find any data about this ("Compliments to the CHEF" about this book). But Ferenc is my mentor, who is studying WWII a lot longer then me, so I wrote it in.

6.) Names of these two NOV-officers, who interrogated and (or not)executed these two SS-soldiers, are known. In fond of Museum of national liberation of Maribor are still records of this interrogation's. Next time in Maribor, I'll check it out.

7.) About Sepp Öll.... They were ex-members of 31. SS-div. and were later transfered to 14. SS-div.

8.) About Slovene SS-div. I read it in a "Kociper, Dr. S. SS-divizija »Jadransko primorje«. V: Tabor 1979. številki 4-5 in 6."

9.) Thanks for new names.

10.)SS-Schütze is a W-SS rank (SS-strelec in Slovenian).

11.) About this Igor, I have to check this with my gran-father, who is working on ours familly-tree (he got to first half of 18. century).

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Hi guys -

First I should like to thank Kocjo for his kind compliments regarding my book.

After the Handschar Division departed northeastern Bosnia for Hungary in November 1944, it spent most of its time in along the western bank of the Hungarian Danube in the Batina bridgehead. After the Russian breakthrough in late November, it retreated to the area around Somogyudvarhely. It crossed the German border into Austria (Germany then) in early April 1945 and remained there until the end of the war. Only small elements subordinated to other divisions may have fought in other areas, such as in Slovenia. (I should note that at this stage of the war, the practice of mixing units was quite common.) For example, I know that one unidentified division element was sent to Varasdin, Croatia to maintain a small bridgehead in 1945.

Did you professor site a source for this information? If you can give me a time frame for when this alleged massacre occurred, I could look for further information and perhaps find a unit identification.

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Greetings to everyone:

Regarding the, let's call it alleged for now, war crime committed by the "Handschar" Division in Prekmurje - didn't the division cease to exist as the "Handshar" Division once it left Bosnia for Hungary? In that case, how could the "Handschar" commit anything in Slovenia - a location any remnants (mostly Germans) of what was once the division would have reached AFTER the battles in Hungary?

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I went to my's mentor's letter and found out, that I didn't put all of his data in my research-project.

He stated, that in late March or early April 1945 remnants of 16. SS-div. RF-SS (Max Simon), 9. SS-div. Hohenstaufen and 13. W.Geb.Div. d. SS Hanschar were in the 2. German Pz.Armee (de Angelis) and were reatreating in Germany/Austria and were on the right-hand bank of river Mura.

In that time Hanschar's men commited war crime in Ilovci in Slovenske Gorice, where they through hand-grenades into a mine-shaft, filled with refugees.

He also wrote, that the 7. SS-FE-Btl. of Prinz Eugen division was disarmed from Partisans south of Radece.

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There is a another good book on Handschar division. It's in Croatian:

Sulejmanpasic, Z. 13. SS divizija Handzar: Istina i lazi. Zagreb: Kulturno drustvo Bosnjaka Hrvatske Preporod, 2000.

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KlemenL,
what is the source of »your's« Slovenes in W-SS?

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Hi guys -

Kocjo wrote:
13. W.Geb.Div. d. SS Hanschar were in the 2. German Pz.Armee (de Angelis) and were reatreating in Germany/Austria and were on the right-hand bank of river Mura.
What luck! The incident in question would be at the time that the Division was crossing the Mura!

When Handschar crossed this river on 2 April 1945, the Red Army had just broken through the Margarethestellung and was in hot pursuit of 2. Panzerarmee. It is believed that most of the division's units lost their Trosse, which contained their records. This makes unit identification all but impossible. I plan on travelling to Russia in the next few years and I will see if their archives possess any Handschar records, but I won't know until then.

Did your professor mention the source he used to find this information? Or did he hear it from someone who was there?

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George,
I would have to ask my mentor. I'll do it this week.

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Hi!
2.) About Grascher was Marko very helpfull (thanks again Marko). He sent me some data about him.
Well, I too would like to see those information, Marko! Unless of course if they are not top secret. :wink:

Would like to know the name of the mother and his father, for whom I am totally convinced who or better to say what was he.
You are right. There was an eye-witness, who recognized him.
Se pravis si preveril to informacijo o Skvarci, da si sto procentno preprican?
I don't know there I had read it, but there was a some Russian officers of Varjagov, who were talking to Slovene partisan's about unit's desertation to NOV.
Have never heard of this, but there were no massive desertions from this unit, at least not to my knowledge. There were some cases of individuals I guess, but in May 1945 Colonel Semenow brought all three battalions of his to Klagenfurt more or less safely with some casualties enroute, of course.
Names of these two NOV-officers, who interrogated and (or not)executed these two SS-soldiers, are known. In fond of Museum of national liberation of Maribor are still records of this interrogation's. Next time in Maribor, I'll check it out.
Well, if no one else, I am interested in hearing the names of those two officers! Would very much appreciate if you could get them one day.
My mentor dr. Ferenc said to me, that the Hanschar's commited some war crimes in Prekmurje. They "pushed" people in caves and then throuw hand grenades on them. I read Lepre's book about 4 times and as you said, I did't find any data about this ("Compliments to the CHEF" about this book). But Ferenc is my mentor, who is studying WWII a lot longer then me, so I wrote it in.
Still. I remain a bit skeptical whether first this war crime really happened in Prekmurje and not in Prlekija and secondly whether the offenders were really the members of the SS-Mountain Division "Handschar". In March-April 1945 the Soviets had there the Germans and Hungarians on the run (Prekmurje was secured in twelve days with very little fighting), so I doubt the Germans had much time to carry out such "outside campaign" activities. However, in Prlekija province in the last months of the war, there were present the Cossacks of the XV. Cossack Cavalry Corps, who were recorded for commiting several war crimes in that area.
About Sepp Öll.... They were ex-members of 31. SS-div. and were later transfered to 14. SS-div.
This will have to be checked. Never heard of this incident and neither does Michael Melnyk mention it in his brilliant 380 pages long book "To Battle: The Formation and History of the 14th Waffen-SS Grenadier Division 'Gallizien' ", which I am sure he would.
About Slovene SS-div. I read it in a "Kociper, Dr. S. SS-divizija »Jadransko primorje«. V: Tabor 1979. številki 4-5 in 6."
Ah, yes. The Tabor magazine from Argentina. :D
About this Igor, I have to check this with my gran-father, who is working on ours familly-tree (he got to first half of 18. century).
Si uspel izvedeti kaj novega o tem svojem (ne)sojenem sorodniku?
n that time Hanschar's men commited war crime in Ilovci in Slovenske Gorice, where they through hand-grenades into a mine-shaft, filled with refugees.
Is he sure that the members were from the SS-Handschar? As I said it earlier the Cossacks of the XV. Cossack Cavalry Corps and men of the 1st Bulgarian Army were passing through Slovenske Gorice in early 1945. Never heard of any elements of the SS-Division "Handschar" but as George has said, the records for that period lost, everything may be possible.
what is the source of »your's« Slovenes in W-SS?
* "Slovenci v tuji vojski" by Mag. Marjan Tos, Vladimir Cernjak and Franc Lorber

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* and the names which I have come across on this or that way in the past few years and which I kept in my "archive".
I would have to ask my mentor. I'll do it this week.
Do that! :D

Ajde, se se kaj slismo,

Klemen

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Videl sem, da si nekaj spraseval o porocniku Foelkersamu.

Leutnant Adrian Baron von Foelkersam je bil roje 20. decembra 1914 v Sankt Petersburgu (Rusiji) in je padel 21. januarja 1945 pri Hohensalzi v Nemciji. Dobil je viteski krizec za akcijo pri Majkopu, ko je vodil skupino 62 rusko govorecih baltskih in sudetskih Nemcev, pripadnikov divizije Brandenburg, ki naj bi v bliskoviti akciji zavzeli naftna polja pri Majkopu, kar jim je, preoblecenim v NKVD uniforme, tudi uspelo. Ne vem zakaj, ampak vedno sem imel obcutek, kot da je Adrian bil rojen druzini nemskega kolonista v Namibiji. Ocitno se staram.... :?
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Glede
Si uspel izvedeti kaj novega o tem svojem (ne)sojenem sorodniku?
Sem vprasal dedita, ni moj sorodnik (vsaj predvideva). Glede na njegovo raziskovanje druzinskega drevesa ni verjetno, da je iz moje linije.
Ne vem zakaj, ampak vedno sem imel obcutek, kot da je Adrian bil rojen druzini nemskega kolonista v Namibiji. Ocitno se staram..
I would't say, that you are getting older. His father was a member of German colonial forces in Africa during WWI and his unit was one of the last who surrendered. Maybe this is your "problem"?

Kaksne so tvoje izkusnje z delom v nemskih arhivih? Ze lansko leto sem navezal stike in dobil zelo pozitivne odgovore, toda "gor" mislim iti sele za diplomsko nalogo ali v 3. letniku fakultete.

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Bok Klem!
I would't say, that you are getting older. His father was a member of German colonial forces in Africa during WWI and his unit was one of the last who surrendered. Maybe this is your "problem"?
Hm, happen to know where? German or Southwest East Africa? Malo je vse skupaj cudno. Njegov fotr v Afriki, on pa rojen v Rusiji? Se sprasujem kaj je delala zena v prostem casu... :D

Kaksne so tvoje izkusnje z delom v nemskih arhivih?
Mislis v Koblenzu in Freiburgu? Po pravici povedano, nisem se imel nobenih izkusenj z njimi, ker jih tudi nikoli nisem rabil kaj kontaktirat. Drugace pa imam dobre izkusnje z avstrijskim, madzarskim, nizozemskim, avstralskim in se nekaterimi drugimi arhivi razlicnih drzav, ki so se izkazali za zelo razumevajoce in so mi tudi dokaj hitro mi poslali odgovore. Se najslabse izkusnje imam z Tajci in Ekvadorci, ki se niso nikoli potrudili pisati nazaj.
Ze lansko leto sem navezal stike in dobil zelo pozitivne odgovore, toda "gor" mislim iti sele za diplomsko nalogo ali v 3. letniku fakultete.
Ni panike. They're not going anywhere. :D

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Sorry Klemen, my bad.

The W-SS member, who's father was during WWI in East Africa was Joachim Jochem Peiper and not Adrian von Foelkersam.

He was the son of a Baltic German Admiral who had served in the Czars Navy and fought against the Japanese in the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-5.

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I read the book »Slovenci v tuji vojski« (Slovenes in foreign army). You forgot one more Slovene: Toncek Muhic (born in Lenart, before the war member of Sokol, joined volunteerly).

About Ferenc. Today wasn't in INZ, I'll try later.

About 2 executed Unterführer's from 11. SS-FE-Btl. in Slovenia. Their names are Alex Kristiansen and Walter Boehl (or Böhl). They were executed on 14.10.1944. The two NOV-officers, who interogated them, were Ivan Sirnik (partisan name Mirko; he was a squad-leader of intelligence-platoon of Lackov odred) and Mirko Tretjak (partisan name Romi).

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Here's another Slovene in W-SS.
Vili Klemencic, born in Trzic. On 1942 he volunteered from HJ to W-SS. He went to SS-school (it doesn't say which one) and was a member of W-SS until the fall of Berlin.

This I got from Slovene book on German occupation of Trzic. The least statement on Klemencic is a bit ambiguous. I don't know, if author is refering to time-line (until the fall of Berlin; May 1945) or to his participation in battle in Berlin.?!

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