SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt 23 "NORGE"

by **Regiment Norge** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 8:46 am

Hi!

Does anybody know who was put in charge as Btl.Kdr of the II./SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt 23 "NORGE" after the death of Hstuf. Richard Spörle on 17.4.45 near Ihlow.

by **Regiment Norge** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 8:53 am

In march 1945 Stubaf. Fritz Vogt left this unit to take command of the SS-Pz.AufklAbt. 5 Wiking. A new Btl.Kdr appeared in the I./23 - Stubaf. Barth (does not exists in the BDC holdings), could anyone confirm the right name of the new Btl.Kdr of the I./23 in March 1945? The place were he took over was located to the village of Urkut/Hungary.

by **Regiment Norge** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:50 am

Hi folks!

On 14.|1.44 the I./23, located to the two villages Ssinkowitzy and Golubowitzy as a Koprs. reserve was alarmed and got their battle orders.

The Btl. went in motorized column in about midday 14.1.44 attached were the 3./SS-Stg.Gesch.Abt. 11 "Nordland" under the command of Hstuf. Kurt Ellersiek. The Btl. went into action in the area around Kosherizy, and all KIA/MIA reports from WASt gives the location of the Btl. to this village between 14.1-24.1.44. But I personally beleive that the Btl. saw action (battle reports from 1 and 3. Cp available) north of this town. Elements of the 3./SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt. 11 had KIA/MIAs on 15/16.1.44 near Kapylowka, located some 4-5 km northeast of Kosherizy.

The I./23 got under heavy russian fire around a village in the morning of 15.1.44 and the Btl. withdrew south into new positions.

Has anybody no idea of the name of the village were I./23 saw their first action with the russian 2. Stoss Armee?

Another question is the Stellenbesetzung I./23, who could fill in the missing names of officers or higher NCOs.

Btl.Stab

Kdr. Hstuf. Fritz Vogt
Adj. Ostuf. Heinz Fechner untill 17.1.44 then Kp.fhr. 3./23, then Ustuf. Hans Ahlf and Ustuf. Max Preller
Arzt: Hstuf. Per Börresen
Kradschützenzug:
Ordonanzoffizier:
Nachrichtenzugfhr:

1./23.

Kp.fhr: Hstuf. Olaf Lindvig
Zug.fhr: Hscha. Alf Lie, Oscha. Oscar Strömsnes, Oscha. Ferdinand Kogelnig
Schw.Zug. Ustuf. Eirik Mytting

2./23:

Kp.fhr: Ostuf. Wolfgang Rendemann
Zug.fhr: Ustuf. Henrik Pedersen, Oscha. Karl Naber

3./23

Kp.fhr: Hstuf. Otto von Bargen untill 15.1.44, then Hscha. Heinz Twesmann untill 17.1.44 then Ostuf. Heinz Fechner
Zug.fhr: Hscha. Heinz Twesmann
Schw.Zug. Ustuf. Sverre Hagtun

4./23:

Kp.fhr: Ostuf. Stephan Lellinger until 18?.1.44 then Ustuf. Ivar Grönneröd
l.iG-Zug: Ustuf. Hans Ahlf
Zug.fhr: Ustuf. Ivar Grönneröd
s.Mg-Zug: ?
m.GrW.-Zug:?
PAK.-Zug: ?

Regards

by **Regiment Norge** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:53 am

Hi folks!

On 14.|1.44 the I./23, located to the two villages Ssinkowitzy and Golubowitzy as a Koprs. reserve was alarmed and got their battle orders.

The Btl. went in motorized column in about midday 14.1.44 attached were the 3./SS-Stg.Gesch.Abt. 11 "Nordland" under the command of Hstuf. Kurt Ellersiek. The Btl. went into action in the area around Kosherizy, and all KIA/MIA reports from WASt gives the location of the Btl. to this village between 14.1-24.1.44. But I personally beleive that the Btl. saw action (battle reports from 1 and 3. Cp available) north of this town. Elements of the 3./SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt. 11 had KIA/MIAs on 15/16.1.44 near Kapylowka, located some 4-5 km northeast of Kosherizy.

The I./23 got under heavy russian fire around a village in the morning of 15.1.44 and the Btl. withdrew south into new positions.

Has anybody no idea of the name of the village were I./23 saw their first action with the russian 2. Stoss Armee?

Another question is the Stellenbesetzung I./23, who could fill in the missing names of officers or higher NCOs.

Btl.Stab

Kdr. Hstuf. Fritz Vogt
Adj. Ostuf. Heinz Fechner untill 17.1.44 then Kp.fhr. 3./23, then Ustuf. Hans Ahlf and Ustuf. Max Preller
Arzt: Hstuf. Per Börresen
Kradschützenzug:
Ordonanzoffizier:
Nachrichtenzugfhr:

1./23.

Kp.fhr: Hstuf. Olaf Lindvig
Zug.fhr: Hscha. Alf Lie, Oscha. Oscar Strömsnes, Oscha. Ferdinand Kogelnig
Schw.Zug. Ustuf. Eirik Mytting

2./23:

Kp.fhr: Ostuf. Wolfgang Rendemann
Zug.fhr: Ustuf. Henrik Pedersen, Oscha. Karl Naber

3./23

Kp.fhr: Hstuf. Otto von Bargen untill 15.1.44, then Hscha. Heinz Twesmann untill 17.1.44 then Ostuf. Heinz Fechner
Zug.fhr: Hscha. Heinz Twesmann
Schw.Zug. Ustuf. Sverre Hagtun

4./23:

Kp.fhr: Ostuf. Stephan Lellinger until 18?.1.44 then Ustuf. Ivar Grönneröd
l.iG-Zug: Ustuf. Hans Ahlf
Zug.fhr: Ustuf. Ivar Grönneröd
s.Mg-Zug: ?
m.GrW.-Zug:?
PAK.-Zug: ?

Regards

by **Regiment Norge** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:04 pm

Hi!

On 13.2.44 Stubaf. Albrecht Krügel (Kdr. II./Norge) led a battlegroup consisting of three companies (later five companies of Rgt. Norge) to retake the village of Siiversti located north of the city of Narwa/Estonia. This battlegroup had many casualties and the 11./23 lost three company cmdrs on one day. In march 1944 the 7 and 11./23 was regrouped together.

I am interesting in aditional information on this battlegroup and its later cmdr. Hstuf. Michael Thöny.

Regards

by **Björn** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:01 am

Hello!
I have heard about the mysterious Stubaf Barth replacing Spörle. Unfortunately I have no other info on him, as "Barth" was a most common name, and I simply cannot find him anywhere. The Btl was then commanded by Ostuf. Radtke, it says - I have no other info than that he is said to have been Spörles adjoint.

I do have a roster for 23. "Norge", but I do not know how correct it is. I have found small errors, and can not cite any source - as I can´t remember where I found it at all! Probably someone sent it to me by mail some years ago.

Regimental Commanders:

Finn Finson 5/43?-5/43?
Wolfgang Joerchel 5/1/43-1/8/44
Arnold Stoffers 1/8/44-2/8/44
Albrecht Krügel 2/25/44-5/4/44?
Fritz Knöchlein 5/4/44?-1/1/45
Fritz Geiger ?-8/1/44
Wilhelm Körbel (WiA) 2/45-4/24/45
Rudolf Ternedde 4/24/45-5/2/45

Regiment Feldpost Nr.41 891

Stab

I Bataillon
Commander: Finn Finson 6/1/43-11/2/43?
Fritz Vogt 11/2/43-?/?/45 (KiA 4/3/45)

1. Kompanie
Olaf Lindvig 5/43-7/16/43
Wolfgang Rendemann 7/16/43-09/01/43
Olaf Lindvig 09/01/43-09/06/43
Wolfgang Rendemann 09/06/43-09/28/43
Hans Ahlf 09/28/43-09/29/43
Wolfgang Rendemann 09/29/43-11/08/43
Olaf Lindvig 11/08/43-01/15/44
Eirik Mytting 01/15/44-01/15/44
Werner Zoebel 01/15/44-01/17/44
Ferdinand Koglnig 01/17/44-?/?/44

2. Kompanie
Tor Marstrander 6/1/43?-11/8/43
Wolfgang Rendemann 11/8/43-01/15/44
Hendrik Pedersen 01/15/44-01/31/44

3. Kompanie
Otto von Bargen 6/1/43-10/12/43
Kristian Prytz 10/29/43-11/13/43
Otto Von Bargen 11/13/43-01/15/44
Heniz Twesmann 01/15/44-01/17/44
Heinz Fechner 01/17/44-02/06/44

4. Kompanie
Stephan Lellinger 07/43?-01/44?
Ivar Grønnerød 01/18/44?-02/11/44?

II Bataillon
Commanders:
Albrecht Krügel 6/1/43-?
Frode Halle 10/23/43-?
Albrecht Krügel ?/43-2/13/44
Richard Spörle2/13/44-?
Albrecht Krügel 2/18/44-2/25/44
Siegfried Scheibe 4/9/44-5/28/44
Richard Spörle 5/28/44-?
Siegfried Scheibe ?-7/28/44
Josef Bachmeier 7/28/44-8/5/44
Klaus Kleucker 8/5/44-?
Richard Spörle 8/23/44-4/17/45 (KiA 4/17/45)

5. Kompanie
Erich Dahm 1/44-1/28/44
Clemens Dederichs 1/28/44-2/2/44
Erich Dahm 2/25/44-3/44?
Dr. Rudolf Loisl ?-3/13/44?
Josef Bachmeier 6/44?-7/28/44
Otto Hohenstatt 7/44?-9/23/44
Kurt Periscke 9/23/44-10/27/44
Siegfried Lüngen 10/16/44-?
Njaal Bjørkelid ?-3/19/45

6. Kompanie
Erhard Göttlich 1/6/43-25/02/44
Harald Sødahl 25/2/44-27/2/44
Dieter Radbruch 27/2/44-2/3/44
Dr. Rudolf Loisl 2/3/44-?/3/44
Heinz Wienke 13/3/44-26/3/44
Heinz Götte 5/5/44-29/7/44
Emil Bruun-Evers ?-7/5/44
Johann Balstad 7/5/44-?
Trond Prytz 23/7/44-29/7/44
Haakon Windingstad ?/8/44-25/9/44
Johann Balstad 30/9/44-2/10/44
Dr. Rudolf Kroiss ?/10/44-16/10/44
Haakon Windingstad ?/3/45-01/03/45

7. Kompanie
Hans Georg Holter 6/1/43-12/12/43
Kristian Prytz 12/12/43-2/13/44 (KiA 2/13/44)
Clemens Dederichs 2/13/44-3/10/44 (KiA 3/10/44)
Otto von Bargen April-June 44
Willi Hund 6/15/44-5/2/45

8. Kompanie
Walter Körner 1/6/43-1/9/43
Erich Dahm 1/9/43-?
Walter Körner ?-3/3/44
Dr. Rudolf Loisl ?/3/44-?
Herbert Riedel ?-?
Walter Körner 28/04/44-?/7/44
Herbert Riedel ?/7/44-?/7/44
Erich Dahm ?/7/44-2/11/44
Herbert Riedel 11/44?-03/45?
Willi Hund 4/16/45?

III Bataillon
Commanders:
Hanns-Heinrich Lohmann 6/1/43-2/2/44
Fritz Vogt 2/2/44-2/15/44?
Martin Gürz 2/2/44-9/26/44
Ludwig Hoffman 9/26/44-5/2/45

9. Kompanie
Richard Spörle 6/1/43?-1/44?
Max-Friedrich Heinze 1/25/44-2/27/44
Gösta Myhrvold 2/27/44-2/44?
Kaare Brynestad 3/6/44-3/17/44
Ivar Grönneröd 3/17/44-6/15/44
Otto Hohenstatt 6/44-6/44?
Otto Bothe 6/15/44?-9/44?
Otto Mehler 9/44?-3/15/45
Elvind Schröder 3/15/45-3/15/45

10. Kompanie
Otto Löliger 6/1/43?-9/43?

11. Kompanie.
Karl-Heinz Reinecke 6/1/43-2/2/44
Per Halse 2/2/44-2/3/44

12. Kompanie
Martin Gürz 6/1/43-2/2/44
Hans Ahlf 2/4/44-6/20/44
Anton Hugger 6/20/44-3/9/45

13. Kompanie
(Heavy Weapons)
Albert Bergfeld 6/1/43?-
Christen Dall 12/43-7/27/44
Jakob Lichtenberger 2/10/44-10/44
Erich Dahm 01/45?

14. Kompanie
Max Höchst 1/44-?
Jakob Lichtenberger 2/22/44-?
? Petersen ?/?
Kaare Brynestad ?/?

15. Kompanie
(Motorcycle) Not Established

16. Kompanie (Pionier)
Egil Reidar Haakon Hoel 6/1/43-10/12/43
Herbert Arionius 10/12/43-?
Josef Schirmer 12/28/43-2/13/44
? Schuster 2/13/44?-?

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by **Paddy Keating** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:57 am

Just to add to your "Norge" files, I have soldbuch entries from late 1943 signed by Max-Friedrich Heinze and Richard Spörle bearing the FP Nr 32878 B for the Norge Regiment.

PK

by **Björn** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:18 pm

Thanx a lot, Paddy!

B.

by **haen2** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:55 pm

Hello Björne,
"Somewhere" there should be an SS Haupsturmführer Friedrich Ziegler in there. or perhaps at the time he still was an Ostuf.
The only thing i know is that he was an advisor / trainer with Legion Norwegen, during the 1940's, and saw action with them at the East Front.
Do you have any info on him ??? (I was his "krad, rad, fuss und bauch melder* at Arnhem and thereafter) * "Motorcycle, Bicycle, walking / running, and Crawling dispatch runner."
Thanks,
HN

by **Björn** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:31 am

Hello HaEn!
Correct, Ziegler was with the Norwegian Legion, and I know a few veterans who knew him well. He was one of the few Germans to get the "Frontkjemper"-badge from Norwegian NS authorities.

I do also have a few pictures of him from the Legion period.

I do however believe, that he did not serve with 23. "Norge" until the Berlin battle in 45, when he was killed. I must admit I am not sure.

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by **Björn** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:08 pm

Hello!
There was another Ziegler in Rgt Norge, a General and commander. "Our" Ziegler was transferred from the Norwegian Legion to Landstorm Nederland. I do believe he survived the war.

B.

by **Peter Hertel** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:51 am

Radtke, Werner Ostuf.
Born : 19. 4.20

Adj.I./Pz.GR.23 — January 1945.

Courtesy of John Moore's Führerliste.

Regards,

Peter

by **Peter Hertel** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:58 am

Ziegler, Friedrich Hstuf.
Born : 27. 9.00 in Heidelberg-Rohrbach.
SS-Nr. : 293 302

Kdr.II./Frw.GR.84 — December 1944
Hstuf. and Chef,2./Wach-Btl.Nordwest — January 1944
Ustuf. with the Frw.Leg.Norwegen — January 1942

Regards,

Peter

by **mvonb** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:39 pm

To add some more references to the discussion. I see Otto von Bargen mentioned in the OOB's. I have some more information on him here.

MfG

Martin[/u]

by **Björn** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:53 pm

Can add that Hstuf Friedrich-Christian Ziegler also was chief of staff for Landstorm Nederland April-may 1945.

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