Movies of 4 WORLD worst SHIP DISASTERS?

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Movies of 4 WORLD worst SHIP DISASTERS?

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Why no movies like TITANIC ("only" 1500 dead) of worlds worst naval disasters?

Year of mass destruction 1945:
:( Wilhelm Gustloff. German 208 m long passenger ship built in 1938 and named after a Nazi "martyr" who was killed in Switzerland. She was built for 1463 passengers and 650 crew. During just one year she served as a cruise ship offering subsidised vacation tours for workers, through the "Kraft durch Freude" organization. But then came the war. On January 30, 1945 she went from Danzig with civilian refugees and wounded soldiers trying to escape the Red Army. Nobody knows how many were onboard, perhaps 10 000. During the night she was hit off the present Polish coast by 3 torpedoes from Soviet submarine S-13, under Commander Alexander Marinesko. Hundreds died instantly, and after one hour the ship sank. About 1250 survived, and around 7-9000 died in the ice cold water, making this the worst maritime disaster ever. The wreck is on 50 m depth on Polish territory, considered a grave, guarded by Polish Coast Guard and diving is not permitted. The bow and stern are well preserved, but the middle section was demolished after the war. The midships section is so damaged that any hopes to find the famous Amber room inside, seem to be wishful thinking or empty rumours. Described in Die Gustloff-Katastrophe by Heinz Schön. Link.
General von Steuben. German passenger ship built in 1923, loaded with c 2000 wounded soldiers, 350 doctors and nurses, and c 1000 refugees. Departed from Pillau, trying to escape the Red Army. Sunk off East Prussia, 10 February 1945, by Soviet sub S 13, under Commander Alexander Marinesko. She was hit by 2 torpedoes and sank in just 7 minutes. Ca 300 survived. Described in Havsvargar by Per-Olof Ekman.
Goya. Norwegian cargo ship built in 1942 and taken to German service. On 16 April 1945, she was loaded with German soldiers and civilian refugees from Danzig. Sunk, presumably by Soviet submarine L-3 under under Commander Konovalov. The ship broke in two and sank in just 4 minutes. Ca 170 survived and maybe 7000 died. The wreck was located in early 2003 on 80 m depth by a film team from the German TV station MDR. Described in Havsvargar by Per-Olof Ekman. Photo.
Cap Arcona and Thielbek. These two German passenger ships were in the Bay of Lübeck, loaded with ca 7800 evacuated prisoners from concentration camp Neuengamme. On 3 May 1945 they were by mistake attacked by the RAF. A few hundred survived the burning hell. The burnt ships lay on shallow water and were later removed, so they are not wrecks. Thus these two ships do not belong to underwater archaeology, but are mentioned in this context. Described in Dödens hav – Östersjön by Claes-Göran Wetterholm.
Conclusion: These four Baltic Sea disasters of 1945, killing ca 25,000, may be the worst in world history.

None of these ships were threats to anybody.. :?
With refugees, children, nurses, doctors, wounded soldiers e.t.c
These dramatic events should be made to movies!!! :!: :?:

I believe many of you agree.

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A movie does not achieve success simply by depicting the deaths of thoudands of people. It also needs a good story. If movie success were tied to the number of deaths, then everyone would be making movies about the Yellow River floods that killed hundreds of thousands.
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M/S WILHELM GUSTLOFF has all ingredients of an war drama.

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Well as an historian I think the problem is that the "loosing" nation in war suffers: historically= Winners write warhistory, therefore the "loosers" waracts are horrified and winners waracts are mildered. I just hope the german people have made suffer enough of their deeds in WW2.
Therefore a film of liner WILHELM GUSTLOFF should be ready for publics eyes.. :o)

Here a short story..

On January 12th, the Russians broke through on three fronts. By the 26th they reached the eastern shore of the Gulf of Danzig. This effectively cut Prussia off from the rest of Germany. For the 30,000 refugees, concentration camp inmates and wounded soldiers now crowded into the port of Gotenhafen (now Gdynia, Poland), the only escape could be by sea.

Until now, Grossadmiral Dönitz’s "sea bridge" had safely carried over 2-million refugees from East and West Prussia and Courland (present-day western Latvia and Lithuania) to western ports. On January 30th, four large transports were tied up at the Gotenhafen docks: The former passenger liners WILHELM GUSTLOFF, HANSA, HAMBURG, and the hospital ship DEUTSCHLAND. The GUSTLOFF had been the pride of the "Strength Through Joy" Workers’ Union fleet. During its short life as a cruise ship, it provided Mediterranean cruises at bargain fares for German workers. The handsome 26,000 ton ship was originally intended to be named ADOLF HITLER, but just before launching, the head of the Swiss Nazi party, Wilhelm Gustloff, was assassinated by a Jewish student in Davos. Always somewhat superstitious anyhow about being honored in this way, Hitler seized the opportunity to order the ship’s name change. In this instance at least, Hitler’s superstition would prove prophetic.

With all cabins occupied and passengers jammed into passageways, the GUSTLOFF got underway at 1230 on January 30th for Kiel and Flensburg in western Germany. There were over 6,000 passengers--more than three times above capacity. Most were women and children, elderly men and about 1,200 wounded soldiers. Last to come aboard was the mayor of Gotenhafen and his family. Hitler had never stepped aboard the ship, and they were given the suite that had been reserved exclusively for him. It had never been occupied in the ship’s seven year history.

Normally, the GUSTLOFF would have been able to outrun any sub but she had been used as a hospital ship for years and was poorly-maintained. With a maximum speed of only 12 knots she was vulnerable. Although some Soviet sub activity had been reported in the Baltic, the danger was not thought to be significant. Nevertheless, with over 6,000 lives in the balance, the torpedo boat LÖWE and the TF-1, a small torpedo boat, were assigned as escorts.

On the bridge of the GUSTLOFF there was an animated discussion about the ship’s course. A course hugging the coastline increased the danger from mines, while the deepwater northerly course, Emergency Route 58, posed more of a danger from subs. Captain Petersen minimized the danger from mines but pointed out that British planes had been active in the coastal area around Danzig. They would sail the northerly route. The idea of sailing a zigzag course was briefly considered but was quickly discarded on two accounts: Route 58 had been swept free of mines but was too narrow to permit zigzagging. Also, the tactic would consume far too much time.

One thing the GUSTLOFF had in its favor was the weather forecast. The worse the weather, the better the chances for a safe transit. It called for snow and poor visibility. But two hours into the voyage the weather suddenly started to clear somewhat. Another ominous sign: The TF-1 suddenly developed a leaking seam and radioed that it would have to return to port. Simultaneously, radio reports on sudden sub activity in the southern Baltic were broadcast from the naval radio station in Gotenhafen. Whether they were picked up by the GUSTLOFF is not known, but the LÖWE was capable of receiving transmissions only from its headquarters further west in Swinemünde.

Just before nightfall, Captain Petersen made his second critical error. He ordered full illumination, reasoning that the danger from collision in the low visibility was greater than any danger from subs. His executive officer had argued that the standard blue lights would give sufficient warning to passing ships. But the captain prevailed, and the GUSTLOFF was lit up like a cruise ship gaily enroute to Majorca.

Petersen did have some justification for what in retrospect seems like a risky tactic. For most of the war, the Nazis had kept the Soviet fleet bottled up in Kronshtadt by a blockade and by mining the Gulf of Finland. But after the Russo-Finnish armistice on September 19, 1944, the Soviet Navy was finally able to break out. However, Russian naval activity in January, 1945 was still fitful. Still, the armistice agreement awarded the Russians important military bases on Finnish territory, including the strategic Hangö peninsula.

In fact, it was from Hangö that Captain Alexander U. Marinesco of the 780-ton Soviet sub S-13 sailed on the morning of January 11th. During nineteen days at sea he encountered only civilian small craft in the frigid waters off Lithuania. He was receiving radio dispatches from his home port describing the fall of Memel (present-day Klaipeda, Lithuania) and Königsberg (now Kaliningrad, Russia), so he reasoned that naval transports might be evacuating troops to the west. Hugging the coastline, he saw no activity where he expected it most.

At 2035, Marinesco raised his periscope for a final look before surfacing for the night. Blackness all-around. After giving the order to surface, he turned to the paperwork that even sub captains were wedded to--bringing the boat’s log up to date. Duty officer Lt. Yuri Yefremenkov was first to emerge from the hatch. Visibility had improved further but there still were no potential targets in sight. After several minutes he suddenly noticed a slight glow on the horizon--just barely perceptible. He thought it might be the Hela lighthouse at the tip of the narrow peninsula enclosing the Bay of Danzig. He yelled "Captain to the bridge" into the hull. Submariners know that this call, as often as not, precedes a call to battle stations. Marinesco knew his exact position and was too far north to be in sight of Hela. It had to be a ship. He told Yefremenkov, "I’ll take over. You go below and plot the attack." Then came the order that brought the S-13 to life. "All men to battle stations. Right full rudder, steer two-three-zero. Both engines ahead full."

Aboard the GUSTLOFF, Captain Petersen had just asked his duty officer for the ship’s position. The response was delivered with Germanic precision: "At 1945 we passed Rixhöft. At 2430 we will be 12 miles off Stolpmünde. At approximately 0400 we will be just off Swinemünde."

Never quite believing that Russian subs might be a serious threat, Petersen nevertheless felt reassured. By 0400 the most dangerous part of the voyage would be over, And besides, he figured, even assuming the worst, there was life-saving equipment for all. The twelve lifeboats held 60 people each, eighteen smaller boats would each hold 30 people, there were 380 life rafts, and there were life jackets for the rest. Then too, Petersen knew he just happened to have aboard a team of specially-trained life-saving specialists. But Petersen was in the worst form of denial. To begin with, the temperature was 4 degrees Fahrenheit above zero and the water temperature was around freezing. Even if all the lifeboats and rafts were launched successfully and fully occupied--a feat seldom achieved in the history of marine rescue--that would leave thousands of survivors in the frigid water. In addition, no one had seen to keeping the life boat davits free of ice. In fact, hindsight indicates that the lifeboats should have been swung out from their davits as the ship got underway. Petersen took this into account but reasoned that such a procedure would have caused panic among the passengers. The decision would end up costing hundreds of lives.

Aboard the S-13, Marinesco cannily decided to make his attack from the coastal side, where least expected. The danger from mines was greater there, but like Petersen, he was playing the odds, albeit more successfully. Worse than the danger from mines was the shallow depth. The sea was only 30 meters deep in places and the nearby Stolpe Banks were barely nine fathoms deep in many areas. Figuring that his target would be under the protection of a destroyer, he considered it a risk worth taking.

Marinesco narrowed his range on the GUSTLOFF to 1,000 meters before ordering all torpedoes set to run at a depth of three meters. He waited for the doomed ship to lumber into the crosshairs of his periscope and then gave the order that would be a death sentence for 5,348 hapless victims: "Fire One--for the Motherland". Three seconds later: "Fire Two". Then, "Fire Three--this one is for the Soviet People".

The first detonation struck the ship with the deadening roar that survivors described as being hit by a meteor. Duty Officer Weller’s first thought was "Mines!". He lunged for the engine room telegraph and with both hands set it to "Stop". Captain Petersen was nearby in his cabin, but knew instantly that three such powerful explosions indicated torpedoes. Stunned, he hurried to the bridge, but at first could utter only three words, Das wär es. ("This is it"). His chief mate had already sent out an S.O.S. Within minutes, Naval Command in Gotenhafen put out the call to all ships in the eastern Baltic to "proceed with all due haste to rescue site GUSTLOFF 55.07 degrees north, 17.41 degrees east."

Meanwhile, all attempts to contact the engine room failed. All lines were dead. The ship was listing badly to port, preventing the starboard lifeboats from being launched. Worst of all was his sudden realization that the forward compartments were flooded--the compartments housing his prized life-saving team! With little supervision of the lifeboat loading, several became overloaded. The forward falls on one boat gave way with a loud snap, tumbling dozens of people into the freezing water 60 feet below. Other lifeboats were being cast off with only a few passengers. Many of the passengers appeared topside without lifejackets and, unfamiliar with the deck plan, were pushing and shoving against the flow. The scene was one so often repeated in disasters at sea. Some people responded with heroism and self-sacrifice while others displayed abject poltroonery. One deck officer was supervising the loading of a lifeboat with the standard order, "Women and children first". But before the boat was even half full he suddenly abandoned his responsibility and simply took a seat in the boat.

By now, the ship’s list was making it difficult to move around on the deck and people were jumping overboard. Escort ship LÖWE was alongside within 15 minutes and the scene her captain found was one of hellish confusion--made many times worse by the frigid conditions. Survivors were taken aboard as quickly as possible, but it was not long before the LÖWE’s crew were as tired, stiff and frozen as the refugees. After a half-hour in the water, many were being hauled aboard as deadweight. Desperate calls for help came from all sides. But in some instances, the survivors were not helpful. One woman, wearing an expensive fur coat made slippery by the sea water, continually slipped through the hands of the rescuers. She was last seen drifting away in the darkness.

As every nook and cranny aboard the LÖWE became full of huddled survivors, the heavy cruiser ADMIRAL HIPPER suddenly hove into view. The HIPPER was now the largest German warship in the Baltic, but it too had been ordered west and was herself carrying a load of about 1,500 refugees. She had sailed from Danzig a few hours later than the GUSTLOFF, but was moving at flank speed of 32 knots. Wild cries of jubilation broke out among passengers still aboard the GUSTLOFF. Peering through his binoculars, Captain Henigst took stock of the situation. Three empty lifeboats still hung in their davits, there were nine empty life rafts and the ship now had a 30 degree list to port.

It was now apparent to Henigst that his ship’s high freeboard would be an enormous obstacle to any rescue attempt. And in their weakened condition, only the most fit survivors would be able to climb the Jacobs ladders. In addition, the time required for this type of rescue operation would take hours. Henigst was torn. But before he could decide on his next move, one of his lookouts spotted a torpedo wake 20 degrees off his starboard bow. Then a second. The captain lost no time and radioed all rescue vessels: "U-boat risk too great for us to risk ship, passengers and crew. Also, our high freeboard would hinder and slow rescue attempts. Am leaving operations in your hands. Wish you success and good luck. Henigst."

As the HIPPER pulled away, there was puzzlement and a feeling of betrayal among the survivors flailing about in the icy water. Some just gave up and drifted away into oblivion.

Today, 55.07N, 17.41E is the final resting place of the M/V WILHELM GUSTLOFF. It has been designated as a permanent war memorial site, off-limits to salvage crews. On Polish navigation charts it is ignominiously noted as "Obstacle No. 73."

Some attempts have been made to characterize the sinking as an atrocity. But Captain Marinesco had no way of knowing that his victims were mostly refugees and soldiers who would never fight again. As a military commander he was obliged to assume that the ship carried retreating troops. We do not know whether he would have launched his fatal attack had he known that the GUSTLOFF carried people offering no threat to Soviet forces. But he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, in wartime one shoots first and asks questions later.

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Re: M/S WILHELM GUSTLOFF has all ingredients of an war drama

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Until now, Grossadmiral Dönitz’s "sea bridge" had safely carried over 2-million refugees from East and West Prussia and Courland (present-day western Latvia and Lithuania) to western ports. On January 30th, four large transports were tied up at the Gotenhafen docks: The former passenger liners WILHELM GUSTLOFF, HANSA, HAMBURG, and the hospital ship DEUTSCHLAND. With all cabins occupied and passengers jammed into passageways, the GUSTLOFF got underway at 1230 on January 30th for Kiel and Flensburg in western Germany. There were over 6,000 passengers--more than three times above capacity. Most were women and children, elderly men and about 1,200 wounded soldiers.
No, she was only carrying 162 wounded soldiers, the remaining military on board were 918 members of a Kriegsmarine submarine training unit and 373 members of the Womans Naval Auxilary, she also had 173 crew of whom a majority were Kriegsmarine .

Normally, the GUSTLOFF would have been able to outrun any sub but she had been used as a hospital ship for years and was poorly-maintained.
She hadn't been a hospital ship since 1940, since when she had been a barracks ship for the Kriegsmarine submarine training service
Some attempts have been made to characterize the sinking as an atrocity. But Captain Marinesco had no way of knowing that his victims were mostly refugees and soldiers who would never fight again. As a military commander he was obliged to assume that the ship carried retreating troops.
As an armed ship of the Kriegsmarine (she was fitted with light anti-aircraft weapons) which was carrying retreating troops, even if the commander of the sub knew of the refugees, he would still have been operating within the rules of war to sink her
if in doubt, PANIC !!!!
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An excellent article on the GUSTLOFF
http://www.feldgrau.com/articles.php?ID=64
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Good work , Jason , but the map is misleading , the sinking position of the "Gustloff" is more East , exact location :

http://www.balticwrecks.com/en/wrecks/wg.html

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Post by Tom Houlihan »

While the story of the WG, and the rest of those ships would probably make a good movie, I don't think it's right to compare them with the Titanic.

The Titanic was "unsinkable," which IMHO led to complacency amongst the crew. Thus, the loss of that vessel, and the hundreds of lives that went with her is a tragedy caused by human error and arrogance.

The sinkings off Kurland were the results of a war. While the loss of so many civilians is indeed a tragedy, the fact is that the two nations were at war.

Two entirely different scenarios. However, if you can get someone to make a movie about the evacuation of Kurland, that would be great!
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By the way , there is already a movie about the "Gustloff"-Disaster , the 1959er german one "Nacht fiel über Gotenhafen" by Frank Wisbar ,

http://german.imdb.com/title/tt0053092/

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Post by Waleed Y. Majeed »

In 1955, a German film called "Nacht fiel über Gotenhafen" was released that portrayed the final voyage of the Gustloff, a film that is both very accurate and a very touching tribute to those lost at sea. Lastly, of the very few books on the Gustloff, a recently published book by Heinz Schon called "SOS Wilhelm Gustloff - Die größte Schiffekatastrophe der Geschicte" is now considered to be the defenitive work on the sinking and the previous history of the ship.
http://www.feldgrau.com/wilhelmgustloff.html


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