Hitlers Strange Sexual Activeties

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Post by Willhelm Gruber II »

Sid,

i see whay you mean about Ian Schott,

and you are right that since this book is the source this "aligation" has no basis,

in other words you are right lol

but is it possible that Hitler contracted syphillis from a Jewish prostitute
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Post by sid guttridge »

Hi WGII,

Yes. Hitler might have contracted syphilis from a Jewish prostitute. Or from an Austrian prostitute. Or from a Hungarian girlfriend. Or from a gay Czech lover. Or pretty much anyone else. Or, indeed, not at all!

I would suggest that we just don't know.

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Sid.
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Post by Helmut Von Moltke »

Hi Sid.

There is more than speculation, a German professor named Lothar Machtan of the university of Bremen has written a book named "Hitler's Secret: The Double Life of a Dictator", about the possibility that Hitler was a homosexual. Here are the basis of his arguments, plus the basis for most arguments that Hitler was gay.

- Munich police reports of the early part of the 20th century have several interrogations of homosexuals who mentioned Hitler. For example, 'I spent the whole night with him.', 'I had been unemployed for months, and my mother and my brother were always hungry, so, at his request, I accompanied the man to his home.', and 'He asked me if I'd like to stay with him and he told me his name was Adolf Hitler.'

- A former soldier of the List Regiment that served with Hitler, Hans Mend, wrote in his memoirs 'At night, Hitler lay with Schmidl, his male whore.' And it was before Hitler became famous, so there is the possibility.

- Erich Ebermeier, a lwayer who viewed Hitler's military record files states 'Despite his bravery towards the enemy, because of his homosexual activity he lost out on a promotion to non-commissioned officer.'

- Hitler might have been attracted to Rudolf Hess, considering that they spent a lot of time at the Landsberg prison.

- Ernst Roehm might have been executed in "The Night of Long Knieves", for supposedly blackmailing Hitler about his sexuality.

- Hitler was an anti - semite as judaism was strongly agaisnt homosexuality.

- Hitler sent homosexuals to the KZs, so that it would be hard for people to specualte that he was gay himself.

- He used Eva Braun as a cover - up.

and Sid, about the "Czech lover" that you mentioned, were you referring to Gustl Kubicek, Hitler's comrade while in his early Vienna days? I remember in some documentary, that Gustl described Hitler as hugging him, etc.

I also vaugley read in "Fuehrer" by Allan Prior that Hitler told Doctor Morell about some prostitute from 1913.

However, some of these sound like conspiracy theories, some soundsing realistic. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

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Willhelm Gruber II wrote:i did not know where else to put this so...
i was recently reading a book about Herr Shikle-gruber and it had some content about some strange sexual behaviour for example he would get his partner to urinate (pee) on him or spread crap all over his chest or he would lay down naked and make them kick and beat him with objects and all this, he was supposed to love
it also said that he Had a VERY LARGE ponography collection
can anyone confirm this or put it to rest
thanks
-Willie
Since everyone seems to be taking a shot at this, I'll add my two cents, too. Most psychiatrists and clinical psychologists would agree that the rather bizarre sexual practices described above are characterized as self-abusive practices. Men who engage in that behavior are usually the product of dysfunctional childhoods involving an absence of warmth and love from either parent, a stern and cold father given to corporal punishment and a submissive mother who does not protect the child from the father. The male child then grows to adolescence and adulthood full of self-loathing. The acts of urination and defecation are often the only way this clinically disturbed individual can achieve an erection and orgasm.

Therefore, it may not be correct to dismiss these allegations out of hand as they are entirely possible (as opposed to probable) given A.H.'s childhood and background.

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Hi Lorenz,

Good post, I agree with you fully. As I understand it though, Hitler and his mother had a good relationship, even if she couldn't protect him from his father. Just wanted to clarify what you thought, as you mention an absence of love/warmth from both parents, however I thought this was only true of his father. Or is it the 'submissive' factor of the mother that is important here?

Thanks for your answer Rudi.

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Post by Lorenz »

Jock wrote:Hi Lorenz,

Good post, I agree with you fully. As I understand it though, Hitler and his mother had a good relationship, even if she couldn't protect him from his father. Just wanted to clarify what you thought, as you mention an absence of love/warmth from both parents, however I thought this was only true of his father. Or is it the 'submissive' factor of the mother that is important here?
Thanks for your answer Rudi.
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Hi Jock,

I guess all things are relative and in degrees. If his mother was truly warm and loving toward him, then that would certainly lessen the probability of his leaning toward that sort of aberrant behavior but not eliminate it entirely. Do we know how warm and loving his mother was? It would probably be very difficult to quantify this since various eyewitnesses might have different impressions and different opinions ranging across a wide spectrum. Each eyewitness would then have to be weighted according their their relative value. There are probably a lot of unknowns, too. For example, A.H.'s mother might have been or appeared warm and loving toward the son in front of others, but in private was not. Further, she may not have offered emotional sustenance to him after harsh treatment by the father, being too afraid to do so.

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Hi Lorenz,

An almost infinite number things are "possible", but this is not not a very sound basis of assumption.

However, if they reach the level of "probable" one can start to make sounder assumptions.

This whole area of Hitler's sexuality seems rather nebulous and surrounded by speculative psychobabble.

I am afraid that I regard psychiatry as rather less than a science.

Cheers,

Sid.
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Hi HvM,

The reviewers of the book don't seem particularly convinced:

http://users.cybercity.dk/~dko12530/homo_hitler.htm

Some of points seem irrational.

Hitler and Hess were involuntarily in Landsberg. If involuntarily being forced to spend all your time in the company of other men is evidence of homsexuality, any man who was conscripted would be a suspect!

Christianity is (or at least was) also strongly opposed to homosexuality, yet there was no rush to send Christians, other than Jehova's Witnesses, to extermination camps.

Ernst Rohm was in no position to blackmail anyone over their homosexuality. He was a very public one himself!

This whole area is one of speculation.

Cheers,

Sid.




Cheers,

Sid.


P.S. I invented the Austrian prostitute/Hungarian girlfriend/Czech gay lover.
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P.S.

Hans Mend apparently gave his account in 1939 to opponents of Hitler, not before he was famous.

Furthermore, Mend was apparently a petty criminal who made a small living out of his recollections of Hitler and these reportedly varied according to his audience.

Cheers,

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Post by Annelie »

Well I finally agree on something with Sid, "this speculation on Hitler"
and whether or not he was an "homosexual."

I understand its not unusual for a male to have an homosexual
experience at some time of their lives
but that does not mean the person is gay.
One can even have in their circle of friends gay people
but that also doesn't mean he or they are gay.
Again, an man can love another man but that also doesn't mean
he is an homosexual.
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Post by Lorenz »

I think it is safe to say that in the 61 years since the end of the war there has been no proof presented concerning A.H.'s sexuality, and all of the ink spilled and thoughts expressed are just speculation. No one will ever know decisively what his sexual practices were unless someone discovers some long-lost home movies of A.H. doing his thing, and even then there will be justifiable doubt because of the clever things that can be produced through computer generation today.

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Post by Jake »

Hello!

I completely agree that speculation on Hitler's sexuality/sexual practices can only be speculation. My own opinion is that Hitler was essentially asexual, for whatever reason, with one major exception. This I take from Joachim Fest in 'Hitler' as I find it very plausible, namely that Hitler's sexuality was sublimated directly into his role-playing as a 'world historical figure', especially in his relationship with his audience as a public speaker. Fest quotes examples of Hitler's almost sexual references to his audience and their relationship with him, as well as the climactic and sweat-soaked conclusions of Hitler's early speeches which tended to leave him physically and mentally drained and uncommunicative for some time afterward. If his speeches were a sexual experience for him - indeed, his only sexual experience - then this would go some way to explaining the passion and intensity of his 'performances' as well as the impact they had on his audiences, both men and women.

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Post by jimNboss »

How incredible to still see discussion of such personal nature relating to Adolf Hitler. And, all the more amazing, a discussion among adults.

Were the amateur Hitler student to treat then contemporary enemy political tracts and post-War 'agenda'-driven innuendo as historiography, then woe be to all of us.

There would be no reason for our trained and patient history documentors to continue.

Fortunately, that is not the case.

While my own country's Abraham Lincoln may have cited the "fool some of the people some of the time..." parable and Germany's Goebbels stressed the value of a restrained propaganda based largely on truth, these famous nut case tales of Hitler's sexual fantasy and bizarre lust perversions in Munich cannot be accepted by any literate student of history.

Obviously, that is my own opinion, but, alas, I am no historian.

I rather suggest that the serious student of this intriguing and frightening individual, the Chancellor, absorb the almost countless witness recollections of this man throughout his time in the limelight.

So much 'reading between the lines' is offered my hypothetical serious reader of history.

Outside of the possibly true, possibly false, monorchid condition of the man's testes, a subject that should be of interest only to anatomists, there IS NO credence to rumors of Hitler's weird closet behaviour.

Such things would eventually 'come out'. That is the way things work. Nothing and no one remains secret. Just another reason why the stupid 'Roswell' UFO tale in my country is such a crock of, er, sheis.

Please read account after account of Hitler in his Chancellory or 'bunker' days and his relations with Ms. Braun, his talks with his secretaries, his vegetarian cook, his livery staff.

Nada. Zip. Zilch. Rien de tout having to do with a man crazed by porn and smear and filth.

Read more about the man and get a feel for his undying commitment to his notion of his role and learn that this man of will would never fall prey to such incomprehensibly out-of-character foibles of either bedroom OR gutter nature.

Read of his difficult to dismiss revulsion regarding the Roehm affair. Read of his adjuncts' annoyance when trying to urge his OK to prosecuting the von Rohm affair after Germany had the little Jewish boy in its midst after the Fall of France. Homosexuality??
An aghast and appalled Hitler would not even look upon such a subject.

This man was a complete puritanical PRUDE in my book. And I write that word with the greatest possible respect to his memory.
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Post by Lorenz »

A thousand thanks for clearing this all up after the passage of 61 years, Jim. And the fact that you were able to do it all without citing the slightest shread of evidence makes your dissertation all that more valuable. I only wish that you had been the first poster here then the rest of this thread would have been unnecessary. We are all deeply in your debt and yield to your superior grasp of history.

Your obedient fan,

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Lorenz,

This is just one of my skills.

Thank you for so noting.
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